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Picture

The picture is too big on this page...squishes the text..makes it look badUrthogie 16:51, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Insane

dude is insane http://www.aimprogram.com/videotestimonialtranscript.php?id=V21807-20090325

Objectivity

I think a lot of the claims made on this page need to be toned down a little; no doubt he introduced many new techniques into rapping but at times this page sounds like it is written by his PR manager or hype man.

What parts are you talking about in particular? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.253.12 (talk) 09:14, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Rakim pioneered using internal rhyme multiple times within just a few lines" This line is awesome. Doing the thing the writer describes. Cool. Oh, and the claims are fine, he is held in near universal regard as an innovator. Asking to tone down praise for Rakim is like asking to tone down praise for the Beatles, John Coltrane, Thelonious Monk, Leonardo DaVinci, or Michelangelo.

Moe, signing out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.8.191 (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

Is it "rah-kim" or "rah-keem"? 24.33.229.62 22:56, 12 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is pronounced as "rah-kim" is he muslim?? Yes he is


He changed the way that every emcee rhymed on the mic. He brought fluidity and substance to rhyme writing. -S.toure'

In raw talent he is the most skilled emcee (Move the Crowd) to ever live

Where is the seventh seal?

Muslim

how can he be muslim calling himself God and Allah. no muslim on earth has this belief that man can be God. Allah is arabic word Al for The and Lah for God meaning the One God and is unique to the Creator of the universe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.50.223 (talk) 19:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


where does it say on the VH1 page that he is muslim? It says "that he puts his Islamic Belief in songs", b.u.t. they probably mixed Islam up with The Nation of Gods and Earths. --72.199.153.17 04:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

VH1 never talks about the religion of the artists but in the song "Move the crowd" he says "Allah who I prays to the fullest and thats a blessin". In the album the 18th letter he commonly talks about Allah, Mecca, the Qu'ran ie "It even says we are gods in the holy Qu'ran" or "Bring up praise from Mecca, make a phrase for the better

In new days to remember, always and forever "."From the mind which is one of Allah's best designs" 

 So obviously he is muslim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.213.30.60 (talk • contribs) 3 August 2006 (UTC)

did u delete my comment because i was right?? wtf --72.199.153.17 02:28, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't delete anything, and you weren't right, he is muslim, isn't it a little obvious you thick moron. you don't know anything about the

R. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.36 (talk • contribs) 8 September 2006 (UTC)

And you obviously dont know anything about the Nation of Gods and Earths. Muslims can't have the name "Allah" because it signifies shirk. His name is Rakim Allah. He would of changed it if he was a Muslim. --72.199.134.3 22:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do they believe in the quron, no, oh thats what i thought, do they believe mecca as being a very devine place, no, thats what i thought.

but rakim does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.138.6 (talk • contribs) 17 September 2006 (UTC)

You're right, sorry, I just thought it was common knowledge — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sklar OTHP (talk • contribs) 11 April 2007 (UTC)

they study the quran and they call harlem, mecca. now stfu and stop arguing with me because ur obviously wrong and your ignorant edits are just going to mess up the article for everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.199.153.17 (talk • contribs) 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Um...bro...isn't it old news that he is muslim its not an argued point in the hiphop world so you arguing with me is um..well...stupid so stfu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.37 (talk • contribs) 28 September 2006 (UTC)

he's not a Muslim numbnuts! 5% Nation isn't Islam homeboy, orthodox Muslims everywhere will agree that 5% Nation aka Nation of Gods and Earths is not Islam! For a Muslim to call themselves, that is outright blasphemy! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.135 (talk • contribs) 25 October 2006 (UTC)


ok the case is closed. if u watched the hip hop honors, he even gave a big shout out and claimed to be a 5 percenter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.199.153.17 (talk • contribs) 26 October 2006 (UTC)


In the Master he makes many references to Allah (and his Name Rakim Allah) and in the cover he shouts out "the great nation of Islam"

He says "Imma Terorist, I never miss" that sounds kind of bad, if he would have said that after 9/11 he would have lost my support! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.153.204.116 (talk) 02:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

its obvious he claims to be a muslim. but perhaps he's just not a very good muslim since he calls him a god which is blasphemous. but perhaps he has some different beliefs about islam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siwhat (talk • contribs) 04:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


For this article, Rakim is a member of whatever religion a reliable source says he is. Saying it's obvious is not citing a reliable source. Saying a lyric of his says something that makes it clear to you is moot: song lyrics are not automatically autobiographical claims.
Some lyrics are stories (some fact, some fiction, some a mixture of both), some lyrics are used to make a point that we might not get or might misunderstand, some use enough poetic license to obscure any intended meaning (would Kanye West really "do anything for a blond dyke"? Why?).
Find a clear, unambiguous statement of Rakim's self-identification in a reliable source and we'll have something to say. Otherwise, we have nothing to report. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 15:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rakim settles the matter in his interview on VH1 Hip Hop honors when says from his own lips that he is a five percenter, clearly there is no more authoritative source, so why continue to look? The Five percenters use Islamic langauge and imagery but thier world view is seen as heresy by orthodox muslims. You really need to do some research on the Five Percenters before you continue to try to argue this Siwhat.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.252.153 (talk • contribs) 17:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, you need to cite a reliable source. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 18:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i believe that a video taped interview of Rakim himself speaking, as we have on the Hip Hop Honors Award Show, is as reliable a source as we can get...a confession from the man's own lips, watch the interview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.247.204 (talk) 05:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, if you want to include it in the article you need to cite a reliable source. If he said in a interview, "I'm a five percenter..." (or similar), I'll take that as a reliable source. However, 1) quote him, don't say he "confessed", give his actual words and 2) cite the source ("his interview on VH1 Hip Hop honors" is a vague description of the source, not a citation). - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope your going through all of this because your concerned about formality and your not seriously casting doubt on whether or not Rakim is a five percenter. If you are seriously casting doubt on it then quite frankly, you do not even have a knowledge of old school Hip Hop sufficient to justify even commenting on this page. For example, it is clear that if this were the case, (and i am not saying that it is) you would understand very little of his lyrical content since much of it rests upon incorporating a knowledge of five percenter theology...it is why he refers to himself as "the god". You also would be ignorant of the entire influence of the Five Percenter movement in Hip Hop in the late 80's (of which the pioneer Big Daddy Kane was also a part). Assuming that this is not the case, I will satisfy your request for reliable citation. "I still am a member of the five percenter nation of islam and it affected me in a big way. Getting knowledge of self and starting to learn the world, starting to learn others, it helped me to write much easier"- Rakim 2006 Hip Hop Honors interview. Here is the link

http://www.vh1.com/shows/events/hip_hop_honors/2006/honoree_detail.jhtml?honoree=rakim

Just click "read The interview" once you get to the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.253.188 (talk) 20:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Technique section

Needs to be cleaned up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.173.137 (talk • contribs) 16 March 2007 (UTC)

no way man, "But now I learned to earn 'cause I'm righteous, I feel great so maybe I might just..." is an example. This verse does not end in a complete thought. It ends in a cliff hanger that forces the audience to wait for the next verse to find out what he might just do, which is "...search for a nine to five". The movie-like suspense embedded in the rhyme heightened the already high sense of drama inherent in hip hop rhyming."

This shit is HILARIOUS.

Rakim is not a Muslim. That says even he himself Lycris. Listen to his songs properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.103.203.173 (talk) 11:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Why does someone keep changing the technique section where the old school lyric from the Fat Boys is given? It's a comparison of Rakim's style of lyricism to what lyrics were like before that, this is what the whole section is explaining. Putting another Rakim lyric in there (like a line from I Aint No Joke) dosen't make any sense in the context of what is being said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.247.204 (talk) 05:43, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty funny to me that no one mentioned the Allah Team interview. So when he speaks of Islam it is twofold. Not to mention Sunni, Shia, Ahmadiyyan, Qurani and all Muslims who have a spook Deity mentality are against this. Yet Sufism is not against it. So you can't really say it is shirk to call yourself Allah and be Muslim. In fact the Allah Team believe and follow that logic. Rakim Interview--HaelBenQodesh (talk) 18:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Popularization of various phrases

Is there any proof that Rakim "popularized" the phrases listed at the end of this article? (ie Dead presidents, etc). The fact that he says he did in a song is no proof, nor is the fact that he put it on an album in 198- and most rappers didnt use the same slang until 199-. It could have been popular on the streets long before. All I'm looking for is some sort of backup for this claim. At present there is none whatsoever, which is troubling in an article with such an obvious slant of trying to establish the biographee's "greatness".

Rakim definitely didn't coin the phrase "Dead Presidents" as a reference to money. Blues man Willie Dixon had a song of that title from around the 1950s Well I ain't broke but I'm bad bent/Everybody loves them dead presidents.

He definitely didn't invent the phrase dead presidents but I do think he helped make it a little more popular or at least more used, you know what I mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.24.85 (talk) 22:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think there should be a part that lists all of his nicknames like on the Ghostface killah page, ie Rakim, The 18th letter, The Soloist, The R, The solar controller, and there is like 10 more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.24.85 (talk) 02:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose anybody who uses a phrase popularizes it... As for "master plan", c'mon, that's certainly been in common usage since before Rakim was born. Delete the section pending a rewrite? with some supporting evidence?

he wasn't the first person to say it but he might have been in hip hop. or at least made it popular in hip hop music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siwhat (talk • contribs) 04:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldnt it be included that Rakim won the case over R.K.M (rakim y ken-y) for the rights to the "Rakim" name, its included in the Rakim Y Ken-Y page.

Damn son, them fools trying to steal the R's name? It'd be worth placing it as a kudo to his name. Beau Martinez (talk) 01:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Every fucken time on limewire i type rakim, i get that french dudes name all over the place!!!! get him out of the world pl0x

Added back the Eric B section

It goes right from "Early Life" to "Solo Work;" it seems appropriate to include at least a few sentences about his partnership with Eric B, as that's arguably his greatest claim to fame and what he is best known for. 128.135.223.197 21:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that it should include the discography of Eric B. & Rakim, that is extremely important especially Paid in Full. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.27.129 (talk) 00:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded - Paid in Full and Follow the Leader are his best known and best selling albums and highly representative of Rakim's style. Someone who's better versed in Wikipedia formatting please add Eric B. and Rakim discography to the discography section. 65.96.162.68 (talk) 02:02, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NAS

NAS.. Surely his effect on nas, relationship with nas and nas‘ tribute song to him (U.B.R.) should be mentioned.. perhaps in his legacy.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dillon73 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why? I think its quite obvious he influenced quite a great deal of rappers. He's a pioneer of the genre. Why is it important to mention Nas in particular? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.7.183 (talk) 23:06, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Musical Tribute

A while back, I was reading this section and it said Tupac paid homage to Rakim in his song "Old School"--one of my friends was like 'Tupac had no respect for Rakim' and I told him to check Wikipedia but it's not there anymore —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flakitox3 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Click the "history" tab at the top of the page. There, you can go through the revision history to find whether or not any such claims were added. To be honest, Rakim is a very popular subject for a lot of overzealous fanboys (inflammatory term intended), so such info quite likely was thrown in then taken out due to not being verified.Kuahmel (talk) 16:47, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Objectivity

'He is the most influential and most skilled MC of all time due to his exceptional flow and complex lyrical craftsmanship'

Maybe we can reword this as 'widely regarded as one of the most influential'.

The current statement is not a fact, and rappers such as Big Daddy Kane, G Rap, Ricky D, KRS-1, Guru etc are also noted as one of the most influential rappers of all time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 09:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

reword

Guys this article needs to tone down, Rakim is not the pioneer of the musical genre of hip hop. Some of the pioneers are Kool Herc, Kurtis Blow, Red Alert, Grandmaster Flash, Grandmaster Melle Mel, GrandmasterCaz, marly marl,run dmc, llcoolj, dougefresh, rickyD, chuck chill, bdk, grap, latifa, mclyte, treach, krs1, matronix, stetsasonic, jazzy jeff and fresh prince, heavy D, MC Shan, masta ace, de la soul, afrika, cold crush brothers, jungle brothers, epmd, guru, fat boys, etc...

To say RAKIM is the only one who pioneered hip hop is to disregard the fact that there has been many artists who have influenced and had an impact on the music and listeners of hip hop. Rakim came out in the mid 80s, hip hop was something that started off in the mid to late 70s. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 10:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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