Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Global Network for the Forecasting of Earthquakes (2nd nomination)

Global Network for the Forecasting of Earthquakes

Also nominated: World Organization for Scientific Cooperation.

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Promotional pages of very dubious notability. One, Global Network for the Forecasting of Earthquakes, was kept after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Global Network for the Forecasting of Earthquakes, but in retrospect this AfD was slanted by several meatpuppets, also appearing at the very recent (and related) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Communiqué "Geochange", which was deleted. Users voting "keep" included User:Wosco (the abbreviation of the second article under scrutiny here). Anyway, about the subjects: these organisations are very closely related, and have little notability outside of it. The Global network is mentioned in one article on Google Scholar[1], hosted by wosco.org, while wosco itself is mentioned in two articles[2], one by themselves and one by Elchin Khalilov, the President of the Network and vice-president of wosco, and hosted on elchin.org. So there are no Google Scholar articles even mentioning this earthquake forecasting institute. or this organization... Google News isn't much better, with one article for wosco[3], which sadly seems to unavailable, and 5 for the Global Network[4]. Note how in the article on the Global Network, there are many "independent sources", including wosco.org, and many sources about Khalilov and his Atropatena system, but not about the Global Network. Note how also the Global network is supposedly an independent source on the Wosco article... The fact that all listed "main publiations" are by Khalilov is telling. I have no idea whether all this is a scam, a one-man project whio has been able to convince some governments to spend money, or the beginning of something truly scientific, but the fact that it has received extremely little attention and that all of it is based on a group of organizations circling around Khalilov is dubious. The site of Wosco[5] is rather telling: featuring the now deleted Geochange, the Global Network, a program for seismic-safe building (featuring Khalilov), and a site for a mineral which promises "antistress, rejuvenation and immunization", from the company “INTERGEO-TETHYS”, with president Khalilov[6]... All mentions of the International Academy of Science (Commission for Health and Ecology) should be taken with a grain of salt as well, Khalilov is the vice-president of this... thing, which has made three publications, two of them by Khalilov, and where the "news" on their site is nearly one year old and all about Khalilov and the Network[7].

All of this is simply a walled garden of self-congratulatory articles based on a number of sites and organizations (with really "big" names, I'll grant you that) by the same person. No evidence that any independent scientific source takes this serious has been found, and the mainstream sources aren't really convincing either. Promotional articles which shouldn't be hosted on Wikipedia.Fram (talk) 13:07, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as aggressive advertisement for a non-notable and scammy-looking organization, per exhaustive nom. Since there is a history of sockpuppetry here, the closing Admin would be well-advised to go beyond counting the Keep/Delete votes. / edg ☺ ☭ 13:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both, basically per nom, who has done great work in showing their non-notability. There is obviously some relentless promotion going on here, but as for coverage in legitimately independent sources, not so much. - Biruitorul ^Talk 15:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per well-argued nom. Nsk92 (talk) 16:27, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I nominated it here last time and my reservations at that time stand, note that all the photos in the article were taken by the main editor of the article, User:Ismail Valiyev, indicating that he works for one or other of these organizations. Mikenorton (talk) 16:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom. These organizations are not notable in the least and they appear to be a one man show. They "Contact Us" pages on their respective websites have the same addresses and phone-numbers.--Adam in MO Talk 17:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - 37 hits. Appears to be non-notable outside the organization. There appears to be a consensus to delete. T3h 1337 b0y 18:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Circle-jerk notability is just a circle-jerk, not notability.Mtiffany71 (talk) 19:08, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Verified for myself nominator's claim of circular dependence of notability ('circle-jerk notability') for GNFE and WOSCO. And we can add a new pseudoscientific outfit to watch out for too, 'IC Geochange.' All Google search results (ALL!) for GNFE are links to sites owned by WOSCO, IC Geochange, or even GNFE itself (but operating under a different domain name, eg, 'http://www.seismonet.org/'[8]') and even one site which claims affiliation with NATO (http://www.sfp-982167.org/), neato! Has the NATO logo and everything! Mtiffany71 (talk) 23:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There is a lot of fluff in the article, but I can't see any independent secondary source with an indication that WP:ORG is satisfied. Johnuniq (talk) 04:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: At me unpleasant feeling, that all statements have no relation to Global Network for the Forecasting of Earthquakes and are based on personal hostility to its head Prof. Elchin Khalilov. I have checked up references on Global Network For The Forecasting of Earthquakes and GNFE and have found out many independent references in different languages in newspapers and on Websites not concerning in Prof. Khalilov: In English, Russian, Turkish, Kazakh, Ukrainian, Pakistan, Indonesian and others. I think, that for Wikipedia publication language does not matter. Look statistics - to this article the big interest. I think, that article is desirable for keeping. 217.168.176.3 (talk) 09:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - • Sefer Ibrahim 16:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
- See WP:JUSTAVOTE. Nsk92 (talk) 11:18, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
NOTE: a new editor has left a !vote on the talk page [9]. What is the standard procedure? Active Banana (talk) 16:17, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, the user was obviously confused. I am copying below his/her comment from the talk page. Nsk92 (talk) 16:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep:Dear Colelagues, GNFE is a newly established organization, which aims to develop further the science of earthquake prediction. Scientific basis of articles are the case of braweness of its creators and followers to disseminate this information and helpraise world awareness on eathquake prediction options, which is essetially impportant in era of increase of nautral cataclysms. I vote for keeping both sites. Sincerely, Nilay Azklioglu, seismologist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nilayazakli (talk • contribs) This template must be substituted.
Delete I can't see any evidence of WP:ORG being satisfied. Stephen (talk) 21:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per exhaustive nom. No evidence of notability. In particular, just 2 GS hits altogether, both of which are self-published and uncited PDFs. No GN hits. -- Radagast 3 (talk) 23:29, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable, almost all sources are self-published. Secret ant (talk) 09:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no sign for notability yet. May be later. --Manco Capac (talk) 09:25, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

keep Dear friends! we have to say THANK YOU this organization for the work! I am a scientist from Moscow and I know president Prof. Khalilov. He is great scientist. if you want I am ready to send to all who wish to magazines and articles about the global networks ana Elchin Khalilov. is a very serious international organization! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.243.3.186 (talk) 12:36, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Organization appears to actually exist, as per home page and numerous scientific publications. Article, while in need of cleanup and removal of self-propaganda and not relevant photos, is referenced. Charges of non-notability are POV. --MChew (talk) 14:37, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - Fram makes very good points, but I do actually believe the organization is borderline notable. Atropatena seems to have several websites on it (including an International Academy of Science website [10] and a Gadjah Mada University research publication [11]) and while the article isn't exactly ideal, I think it could be cleaned up to focus more on the capabilities of the organization rather than its history. We just need to cut down on the primary sources and avoid the "circle-jerk" references - not too hard of a task, really. ceranthor 16:42, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the International Academy of Science is another of the same group of organisations involved with Khalilov.

Mikenorton (talk) 17:06, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - Unless it has non-self published creditable sources, a much more neutral viewpoint and can actually provide reasons for it's necessity, I am inclined to favour a deletion of this article. --Mithril712 (talk) 18:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note Whilst technically being canvassed into looking at this discussion, I have tried to give as unbiased an opinion as possible.

Mithril712 (talk) 19:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]