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Curious about a deletion

Kingturtle: Was ELFCU deleted because it was interpreted as promotional?

thanks, Matt —Preceding unsigned comment added by Msnively (talk • contribs) 21:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

In good faith, I've restored the article. But I gave it a major copy edit, and I cannot guarantee that it will not be deleted by another editor. Kingturtle (talk) 23:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Kingturtle - you recently deleted an entry I made claiming it is promotional. I am wondering why? The entry contained no links to the company , and cited several independent blog posts. How are entries like UltraEdit or Excel allowed, but my entry was not? thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmadsen (talk • contribs) 20:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I interpret it as promotional because it is written like an advertisement and created by a user who has contributed to no other articles. Neither Hedgehog Development nor Team Development for Sitecore are notable. Blog posts are not considered valid references. Kingturtle (talk) 20:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, I guess we can argue the notable fact since Sitecore has an entry in Wikipedia, and we referenced a blog post by one of the creators of Sitecore (yes I saw your point about Blog posts not being valid sources). But again, how does Ultraedit (which is a great product BTW) get a page, when all of its references are the company itself, save one pcmagazine mention? As far as having made no contributions - first I did create an Article - Here, and everyone has to start somewhere - right? I respect what you do for Wikipedia, and not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand the rules and standards.

You did not create the article, User:NjGarfinkel created it. And it is clear from his edit summaries that it was promotional. Ultraedit's article uses its own website as references. The article should probably be deleted. Kingturtle (talk) 20:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Froman

The theory about him bringing together Geithner and Summers are well documented. Is the misunderstanding on your defintion of the word, 'theory'? Anyways censorship is worse than criticism, besides nothing non-factual is being posted. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.17.219.53 (talk) 06:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

An encyclopedia is no place for speculation or hunches. Kingturtle (talk) 13:06, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I've reworked it. Hope you like it. Kingturtle (talk) 00:22, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

My username change

Thank you for implementing my request for username change. I have changed the appearance of my signature, which failed to happen automatically - I do not know if it should have done so, but suspect not. No problem. But I have lost all of my contributions history. Is it recoverable? --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 17:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Because of the amount of contributions you have, this may take some time. Give it a few hours; even a day or so. It really depends on how busy some of the servers are that are used for this. If nothing comes of it in 48 hours, let me know. Kingturtle (talk) 17:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, thank you. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 17:25, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm looking into this now. Kingturtle (talk) 14:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

It may take over a month. Just wait it out. Kingturtle (talk) 00:23, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Hiya KT

I was surprised that I hadn't seen the "too many tiers" argument yet at WT:RFA and WT:Vandal fighters‎‎; thanks for bringing it up. What's interesting is that no one perceives the clerking experiment at UAA yet as introducing bureaucracy, and I'm hoping to find out why as time goes on. It might have something to do with the meek name and the limited role. But if you do see it that way, please feel free to weigh in over there as well. (Watching) - Dank (push to talk) 22:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Goak

Hi not sure how this works but thought i would explain what a goak is and why i think it should be included on wikipedia. Goaks have become a term used by online fans of afc wimbledon who listen to home and away matches at a virtual stadium called iplough lane. All matches have a live commentary and also a chat facility for fans to talk to each other while listening to the match. another feature of the stadium is a written commentary posted on the site for people who cannot recieve the live audio commentary. Several years ago during a tense game AFC Wimbledon scored and in his haste the commentator updated the score with GOAK instead of GOAL. After much mickey taking the fans have adopted GOAK when urging the team on ie "come on we need a Goak !!!". As the number of fans who are new to these commentaries (both home and away supporters are allowed to join in) is growing , the question "What is a goak?" is being asked more and more. Now not knowing how wiki works could you please tell me how i can get Goak included, or why it would not be allowed. Many thanksWayneindevon (talk) 07:52, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

That's very entertaining. But it isn't worthy of an article in an encyclopedia. Have you tried submitting it to The Urban Dictionary, The Online Slang Dictionary or Slang Site? Kingturtle (talk) 13:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

RE: GOAK

Sorry to be a pain but thought i would put a link in so you can see for yourself. The comment by VIC ",Stards obviously refers to wikis decision not to include Goak

http://stadium.wimbledonstadium.com/ Hope this helps Wayneindevon (talk) 08:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Promotional

Hi,

Confused as to why our Wet Personal Lubricants page was deleted as it was no different then the KY or Astroglide pages. We referenced national health studies that had been published, using articles from outlets like BusinessWeek and LA Times referencing not just Wet but several different lubricant brands...how was this promotional when we hyperlinked to six different lubricants? The beginning was stating who and when Trigg was founded, and the Pop Culture References are no different then the pop culture trivia other pages mention. Please explain. JS2NY (talk) 21:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

It is deemed promotional because you represent the company. Your virtually using Wikipedia as a place of free advertisement. Blatant examples of advertising masquerading as articles can be speedily deleted. Your contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote the interests of a business you represent. Read WP:COI. Sorry, but that's how it works around here.

You appear to be a capable editor though. I encourage you to work on some articles around here that aren't associated with your industry. Kingturtle (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Promotional: Software Process Achievement Award

Good morning,

Due to the lack of a Software Process Achievement Award (which is an important software award in the IT world) article on WP, I created it using the official text from the IEEE Computer Society and SPA websites. I referenced all the sources, and also referenced the press release of the award being received by PSL company.

If that is what is causing the conflict of interest, perhaps you could just remove that particular reference and not the whole article which is not against the WP:COIN terms as is written with a neutral point of view.

Thank you so much for your time and consideration regarding this matter.

All the best,

Garisti (talk) 17:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Garisti, in good faith, I am restoring the article. However, I cannot guarantee that the article will survive the scrutiny of others. Kingturtle (talk) 18:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Kingturtle , thank you for your help regarding this issue. I removed all references that could lead to think it was an infringement of the WP:COI terms. Thanks again, and all the best.

Garisti (talk) 18:47, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Promotional

Hi there,

Can you please explain to me why our page keeps getting deleted? What about it is promotional?

Thank You

Adam Stern Adam@magicwandfoundation.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamultimatelife (talk • contribs) 19:17, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Adam, it is promotional because it is being created by someone affiliated with the organization. You're welcome to create articles that have nothing to do with your industry, but writing an article about your own organization is not allowed. Read WP:COI. Kingturtle (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC

Bio I added on Mel Brennan

Why did you remove the page? I created it because of a dead link from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA in the section on Criticism OglethorpesFriend (talk) 19:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Frankly, it looked as thought it was written by Mel Brennan, or someone close to him. Is that the case? Kingturtle (talk) 19:26, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, it was copied from the TED website, but it looks like their terms of service allow re-use of the text. It's a bit murky; I was debating whether to delete it as a copyvio myself. But you're right, Brennan probably did write the blurb. —C.Fred (talk) 19:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Any word on OglethorpesFriend's status? Kingturtle (talk) 19:36, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Yup. Fainites ^barleyscribs 14:27, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

EXCUSE ME!

Hello, listen, how is a plane crash in which someone lost their life nonnotable? I mean, most of the local news stations are covering it, and it happened in my own town. I heard the sirens, i heard the scanners, i know it happened. Bring it back, i mean, come on! Do reaserch and make it better, i dont give a crap! I even named this account in memory of it. Oldforgecrash, OUT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldforgecrash (talk • contribs) 19:50, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

The sad truth is that most plane crashes and most human deaths are not notable on an encyclopedic level? What makes this crash or death notable? Kingturtle (talk) 19:54, 18 August 2010 (U

Screw this, i'm not dealing with you anymore, you sick man!

I encourage you to stick around Wikipedia, learn the ropes, and help us out. Kingturtle (talk) 20:05, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

NEVER! Why would i help YOU! How would you feel if a plane crashed in your town, huh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oldforgecrash (talk • contribs) 20:09, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

You would help Wikipedia because you'd be good at it. And you'd get a lot out of it. Kingturtle (talk) 20:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, you should think about that before you say that a death is not importatnt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.241.2.204 (talk) 20:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say death is not important. I said that the sad truth is that most human deaths are not notable for encyclopedias. 100,000s of people die each day. Each one is sad. Each one could fill a book. But few of them are notable. Kingturtle (talk) 21:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

You know what, i got a little carried away. Sorry bout that. I will also stick around wikipedia, i guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.241.2.204 (talk) 00:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Learn how to contribute to Wikipedia. You won't be sorry. Just ask if you have any questions. Kingturtle (talk) 04:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I forgot to mention i edit wikipedia every once and a while. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.241.2.204 (talk) 13:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

You should continue using User:Oldforgecrash. It makes it a lot easier to edit here when you have an account. If you don't like the name, I can change it for you. Kingturtle (talk) 13:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me for interfering, but I couldn't help noticing this conversation while I'm waiting for an answer below.

Kingturtle, I appreciate your work in tough areas, such as fighting spam and advertisements, but it seems to me that that hardened your interaction with other editors in general. Oldforgecrash had a distressing experience, and I don't think he or she deserves being commanded around, as in "Learn how to contribute to Wikipedia" or "You should continue ...". Please have a little respect for others. Oldforgecrash quickly came around and publicly admitting "You know what, i got a little carried away." and apologized. That is not easy for most people here even under normal circumstances, so he or she deserves a lot of respect for that.

Oldforgecrash, there is no requirement use a name when editing here. Neither do you have to go through any official procedure for changing it. That is only necessary if you want to transfer your contributions to your account. Since these have been deleted anyway, there isn't really a point for that. Of course, it would be great if you could contribute using an account, and there are some advantages for you, too, but quite a number of good and experienced editors choose to not sign up; so it can't be all that bad. I wish you all the best for you and your loved ones. — Sebastian 17:26, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Sebastian, Thanks for your input. I don't see "I encourage you to stick around Wikipedia, learn the ropes, and help us out" and "You would help Wikipedia because you'd be good at it" as commands or as disrespectful. Also, I placed welcome message on Oldforgecrash's talk page. You are misreading the tone of "Learn how to contribute to Wikipedia." It was not said as a command, but as an invitation, following the previous invitations for Oldforgecrash to stick around. I could have left "Screw this, i'm not dealing with you anymore, you sick man!" alone and not responded at all. Instead, I chose to respond with an invitation to work on Wikipedia and a welcome message on Oldforgecrash's talk page. I apologize to Oldforgecrash for making anything sound like a command. That was not my intention at all. Kingturtle (talk) 18:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification! I now see that you meant "learn how to contribute" in the same way as "come to my party". Of course, you didn't say anything insulting or offensive, and I hope my post didn't come across as meaning that. In fact, it might have been the perfect response for a Vulcan. The problem with us humans is that we've evolved listening to each other's voices. If the tone of a message is open to interpretation, we tend to look at other signals, such as, how does the other react to the more personal parts of my messages? When we open ourselves to the other and when we apologize, we offer a chance for some warmth and connection. If that is not reciprocated, or worse, not even acknowledged, we may perceive the other as cold. — Sebastian 23:24, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:Nonviolence

What became of your idea to start a NV project? You seem like a decent guy, and I think if we started it together, it might turn into something useful. As our first task, we could try and tackle the talk:nonviolence § distinction between different NV articles. — Sebastian 22:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

My proposal was squashed due to lack of interest. Want to re-apply? I am busy with grad school, but happy to help. I'll also take a look at the link you've provided. Kingturtle (talk) 00:29, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Rename

Hi, I think that your explanation makes no sense because Tallaghtie is not a URL. Also your username is promoting kingturtle.com website so your account should be blocked. If you don't agree then I don't agree with your statement: "Your new name would virtually be no different. Please select something different all together"

First of all, my website is not a business. Second of all, I never make edits that have anything to do with content on my website. If we change your name to Tallaght, you must refrain from making any edits that have to do with Irish Aid, South Dublin County Council, Ethiopian Partnership or Friendship, or any related programs, issues or topics. Kingturtle (talk) 20:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello,

You deleted my Jelavic Transfer Saga page because of Copyright violation? Explain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsky1 (talk • contribs) 15:06, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Question about deleting a page

Hello Kingturtle.. Could you help me please about the page you deleted? Can you tell me what was wrong about it so that I won't do the same mistake again? (page Forum for Greece) Thanks in advance.

Harrym11 (talk) 15:09, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

1) It was promotional. It was an advertisement masquerading as an article. Do not make a new article for your own product or web site. 2) It was not notable. It does not have significant coverage. Hope that helps. Kingturtle (talk) 15:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

You deleted the page before it was complete

How can one make a case that a company is 'notable' if you delete the post (literally) 10 minutes into the first edit? I had just started?! ~~gsal99~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsal99 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

It was promotional. It was an advertisement masquerading as an article. Do not make a new article for your own product or web site. Also, it was not notable. It does not have significant coverage. Sorry. I hope that helps. Kingturtle (talk) 15:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

~~RaeRaeSerenade~~Why did you delete my teen top page?. you NEED TO STOP DELETING PAGES JUST LET PEOPLE KNOW ON THEIR PAGE. MAKING A PAGE IS HARD.. PLEASE DON'T DO IT AGAIN. DO YOU WANT SOMEONE TO DELETE YOUR PAGE? QUIT TOUCHING PAGES OR I WILL DELETE YOUR PAGE, I PROMISE. HAVE A GREAT DAY. You're not even a professional on wiki. Like I said if you touch my page I will have wiki delete yours.

Malaysian Maverick: Mahathir Mohamad in Turbulent Times

I want to write an article on this book (http:\\malaysianmaverick.com). This book, and the subject of this book are both controversial and significant to us as Malaysians. Please assist me on how not to write in promotion tone. Thank you. --Huayi (talk) 16:03, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Huayi, I started Malaysian Maverick. I also found some useful sources: [1] and [2]. Give it a shot, and I can do some copyediting later. Sincerely, Kingturtle (talk) 18:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Deleting The Continental (Organization) Page

Hi Kingturtle - hope I'm doing this right, as I've never used this talk feature.

Looks like you are the Deletion King - I'm working on adding references and content to a new article I am working on and it is suddently deleted. What's up? Don't see how it is promotional like most of these as The organization has been dissolved for nearly 4 years. And I haven't been able to put in the references yet that show it is notable... --StevorinoCasino (StevorinoCasino) 16:03, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Stevorino, the article certainly promotes Joshua Geary, Christopher Neidhardt, Michael Hertel, and Steve Forbes. The organization itself is not notable. Kingturtle (talk) 17:14, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Admin or user?

I recently got my submitted page removed :( and the notification linked here. I kind of understand why it was removed but I'm still curious if you removed it as an administrator or just another user. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Immunmotbluescreen (talk • contribs) 20:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Only administrators have the capability of deleting articles. So, it was as an administrator. Please understand why it was deleted, and please don't take it personally. I hope you stick around and learn your way around. Ask if you have more questions. Kingturtle (talk) 23:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Lauren Winans

Not really sure how this was ever promotional. I thought maybe it was an error but after a 2nd delete I see it wasn't. No need for me to do it again. Is there just something in the bio?JBrownLW (talk) 02:03, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

She is not notable. Maybe someday she will be. But she isn't now. See WP:NN. But I hope you stick around and edit here anyway. Kingturtle (talk) 02:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I think that actually is up for debate. to be honest, I don't really see what the difference is between her and someone like Veronica Ballestrini. Maybe you can help?JBrownLW (talk) 02:27, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

According to the Wikipedia Ballestrini is endorsed by Sennheiser, and an editors pick on If I Can Dream. And I suppose that makes her somewhat notable, although I've added a notability tag to her article. Kingturtle (talk) 02:37, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Well my point was, alot of people on Wikipedia could be considered nonnotable. Lauren's photographer is the same guy who did Taylor Swift's pictures. Her debut single was penned by Ke$ha's mom Pebe Sebert. Some of this is considered notable. I think. I hadn't even had the chance to put her modeling experience in the bio. She also was as Veronica B was, a Votre Vu girl for CMA fest this past year (http://www.wahm.com/forum/votre-vu-139/510594-cma-festival.html). I'm not quite sure she isn't notable. Maybe it was my bio that was the problem. But it's always your call. : ) JBrownLW (talk) 02:49, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

If you like, you can state your case at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. That's probably the best next step. Kingturtle (talk) 02:52, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok. I mean I'm not trying to go against you here. You're obviously an admin for a reason. Do you think it's possible you could help me here? Or do you think she is still not notable enough? If that's the case I won't go against what you say here. Was never suppose to be a war on this..lol.. JBrownLW (talk) 02:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

It is just my opinion. That's why you should take it to Requests for undeletion. Get some different opinions. Don't worry. I won't be offended. :) Kingturtle (talk) 02:58, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Got it. Well I was just hoping you could undelete it and then I'd see if anyone else deleted it. I hate having to write up something long here..ahh...: ) JBrownLW (talk) 03:01, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I have just read your userboxes and your userpage

And frankly I am revolted by you. You appear to be a disgusting specimen, and I will gladly put you out of your misery! 86.7.18.55 (talk) 09:49, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Contribution history

Hi there; further to your comment of five days ago, in which you suggested to get back to you if my contribution history did not catch up with my userpage within 48 hours of your implementing my name change. It has not. Five days. It's not critical, just convenient. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 16:07, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

See above ^^^. Kingturtle (talk) 16:29, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

OK. --Anthony Bradbury^"talk" 21:32, 22 August 2010 (UTC)