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In E. Power Biggs' "Treasury of Early Organ Music", he attributes the Agincourt Hymn to Dunstable (Owre Kyng went forthe to Normandy). Has this been disproven? I know Biggs certainly took liberties with his editing of music, so perhaps this was just a pet theory of his. Anyone know?

The best I can do is "maybe". It is considered highly likely that Dunstable wrote a lot of the anonymous English carol repertory of the first half of the 15th century, but it is not known which pieces he wrote. The only one attributed to him in an early source is "I pray you all" (which has a "J.D." with it). I don't think that is the same carol (the "Agincourt hymn" is usually classified as a carol, e.g. in the New Grove). Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 20:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up

The article needs a real looking over... There is too much speculation ("Was probably born in Dunstable" Too many "possibly"'s and "perhaps"'s) and not enough citations. Will add wiki tag's. ScarianTalk 14:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was a copy-paste move from John Dunstable, and needs to be fixed. (Spelling is contentious. Both spellings have their defenders.) References are listed at the bottom, and the "probablys" are an accurate characterisation of how the articles referenced portray the situation; I think the "who says this" tags can go. Maybe put a cite at the end of each paragraph. Antandrus (talk) 14:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In Compositions section, removed statement "in some respects exceeding that of the rest of Europe combined". This section originally referenced just the Burgundian School; at some point it was expanded to include _all_ of Europe. The citation offered to support this statement was simply a manuscript source and made no mention the info was compiled in a book published by The British Academy. I feel such a statement needs strong documentation that this is the general consensus among musicologists, including continental European scholars. Also, the statement "in some respects" is ambiguous. In what respects? I'm quite curious. If this is included, shouldn't this be clarified and properly cited? Perhaps this would be better placed in an article on English Renaissance music in general?
I probably incorrectly added the additional information to the citation in the Note section. I haven't done editing in a long time so I'll read up on the Citations article and if necessary, tweak the ref.

Made "Influence" a separate section, I figure if anyone wlaks away with automatic response Dun:Cont. ang., fons et origo, he's ok. Use of cantus firmus extra credit (althougbh I thought that was Power).

  • Did leFranc say that D. influenced Dufay and Binchois? You'd think I would have asked for that clarification first before writing it.
  • I thought the transl. of "contenance" was kind of klutzy, so I cheated sort of and put in the exact translation, figuring a) people could remember "the knight of the woeful countenance, and
    • b) I will link it to Wiki dictionary. Trouble is, I don't know how.

Adios,

---Shlishke (talk) 18:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]