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Behavior Driven Development

Hi - saw that you removed the list of Tools from this article - I' like to put the list back because it is pretty useful and there are lots of other places where lists of tools occur. Edit this page to to tell me what you think. 82.13.26.197 (talk) 18:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)tyroneking[reply]

If you have noticed another lots of other lists of external links like that, please let me know where they are. Per the guideline on external links we are not supposed to have lists like that. - MrOllie (talk) 18:08, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bird feeding page

I was curious why you deleted the recent changes I made to the Bird Feeding article? The Bird Feeding article is tagged with “This article needs additional citations for verification.” Thus, I was adding text and three citations that would strengthen the article. 216.125.125.135 (talk) 18:47, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See also links are emphatically not citations. - MrOllie (talk) 18:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The changes I made were deleted before I could add the citations. I would like to re-add my changes and citations, and will refrain from adding the see also links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luvsnature (talk • contribs) 19:21, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pompeii Changes

Just wondering about a couple of reverts done by you to my additions to Pompeii articles.

On 22 Sept you reverted information I added to the Conservation Issues of Pompeii and Herculaneum regarding recent changes to the Large Theatre. You also deleted the Notes containing links to articles reporting the raising of the issues in Parliament. Surely concerns being raised in the Italian Parliament are relevant to the subject of conservation issues.

On 22 Sept you reverted an external link I added to toe Pompeii page relating to 3D models of Pompeii

On 21 October you reverted an external link I added to a 3D model of the Macellum of Pompeii. What is the problem please? A picture tells a thousand words. A 3D model replaces a thousand pictures.

Pmolsen (talk) 22:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC) Pmolsen (talk) 22:51, 21 October 2010 (UTC) Pmolsen (talk) 23:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:ELNO point 8, we shouldn't link to such things. That there are other such links is a reason to remove those, not to add more. See WP:OTHERSTUFF. - MrOllie (talk) 17:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect I think you are being a bit pedantic. The reference you gave lists things that should "generally" be avoided. Not "must be avoided". I think a little bit of flexibility is called for when a link is to something that adds significant research value to an article.

Point 8 is rather archaic when it says sites that use Java or Flash should be avoided, given the increasing use of such rich content on web sites.

But if you want to follow those guidelines to the letter then the existing Pompeii article and millions of others will have to be modified.

- Point 8 that you refer to mentions sites that need an external plugin. There is already an External Link to Google Streetview which requires an external plugin. (Please don't delete it).

- Point 5 says to avoid links to sites that primarily sell products or services or have large amounts of advertising. That rules out the millions of links to newspaper, TV and other media sites because they all primarily sell information services and also contain huge amounts of advertising.

- Point 7 mentions links to sites that are inaccessible to a substantial number of users. That rules out links to thousands of sites that are inaccessible due to censorship in China. China has 425 million users (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users), more than the USA and 22% of the world internet usage, definitely "a substantial number of users".

- Point 13 refers to links to sites that are only indirectly related to an article's subject. There goes a whole lot more useful content in many articles.

Please also explain the revert on the link I added to the Italian Parliament raising concerns about the conservation of the Large Theatre. Pmolsen (talk) 22:10, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you believe the external links guideline is incorrect, the place to take that up is Wikipedia_talk:External_links, not my talk page. - MrOllie (talk) 02:25, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree fully with the guidelines, which is what they are - guidelines, not hard and fast rules. If they were hard and fast rules I would debate them on the page you refer to, since they are unworkable in many cases as pointed out above.

As they are merely guidelines I believe the appropriate place to debate them would be on the discussion page for individual articles. I posed the question on the Pompeii Discussion page but nobody has responded there.

Could you please also comment on your revert to the Pompeii Conservation page. Regards. Pmolsen (talk) 02:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just saw this thread ... a few options are available per WP:DR; either starting a discussion on the article talk page, and if needed use WP:THIRD. Alternately, start the discussion on the article talk page, then post neutral notices about the discussion at WP:ELN and/or the talk page of some of the WikiProjects identified at the top of the article talk page (ie: WikiProjects that likely have members with an interest in the article). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 03:54, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestions Barek. At this point I don't think we have a dispute and so far there has been no discussion on the Pompeii discussion page. I have placed comment there but there has been no response. There needs to be more discussion on that page first from interested parties and I am happy to accept the majority opinion. Pmolsen (talk) 19:18, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dead Sea Scrolls

Here are some references to the technology development - there are many more, that google can provide.

http://www.sciencemagnews.com/google-to-make-dead-sea-scrolls-available-online-for-free-leon-levy-dead-sea-scrolls-digital-library-comes-to-life-soon.html

http://www.prophotohome.com/news/2010/10/19/the-dead-sea-scrolls-go-digital-thanks-to-megavision/

http://eikonopoiia.org/speakers.html

http://www.mega-vision.com/cultural_heritage.html

Pileser (talk) 19:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Agence France-Presse article which is already cited in the article is more authoritative than those (which seem to be blogs and other self published sources), and the AFP says NASA, so the Wikipedia article should say NASA. - MrOllie (talk) 19:47, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a press release from THE authority and the umbrella organization under which it is all happening - The Israeli Antiquities Authority: http://www.antiquities.org.il/about_eng.asp?Modul_id=14

Pileser (talk) 06:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Spanish Celebrations in Granada

Hi man... why did you remove that external link. Thats is not spam. I would like the reason because it was removed

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spainfriend (talk • contribs) 22:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could you reply me MrOllie? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spainfriend (talk • contribs) 00:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are operating a single purpose account to repeatedly add links to delengua.es. I suggest you find something to do on Wikipedia which is not related to that web site. - MrOllie (talk) 00:53, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]