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Earlier Album Not Listed

I had acquired an album from my mother's estate of Aretha that I did not see listing in her discography. It was recorded in 1962-3 Called "Laughing on the Outside Crying on the Inside". I think she was only 18 when she recorded it. Are you familiar with it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.229.102.208 (talk) 01:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have that album as well. My mother used to play it when I was a little. It contains wonderful ballads including her famous "Skylark," and "For All We Know." My mother said that she was 18 years old. In my opinion it is one of her best albums. 74.229.102.208 (talk) 02:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vocal Range

What's her vocal range

It seems to me that her range is recorded correctly but her, belt, as it is called here, or chest voice rather is extremely short changed. C6, or a soprano C is where I have heard her get to a number or times. Most notably on her "Live at Filmore West" album during her version of "Reach out and Touch Somebody's Hand" she then continues to D6 in her falsetto. The author of this bio, has a clear bias towards Aretha's acclaime. Her voice is "rumored" to be four octaves: just listen to her recordings and say what it is don't insinuate otherwise. Her voice has lowered over the 40 years that she has been recording, she acknowledges this as well, but at her prime she undoubtedly had a four octave range and that is why she has recieved so much praise. Listen to "Sit Down and Cry" and you can clearly hear that an F5 as her top chest voice note is absurd.

Her Voice has not lowered that much in the Ultimate Diva Concert She hit And sustained a A5 and a strained B5 in the Chest

Mezzo-soprano is the correct classification. Mezzos aren't defined by their upper limit, but by their ability to project lower notes. Female singers can hit C6 or D6 and still easily be regarded as mezzo-sopranos due to their lower reaches. We all know how great and soulful Aretha's lower reaches are, and of course she can extend her high notes into easily the soprano range. Therefore there really is no more appropriate classification than mezzo-soprano. OettingerCroat (talk) 23:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Ms. Franklin"

"Ms. Franklin has won eighteen competitive Grammys." Why not simply "Franklin" or "Aretha Franklin", or even "Aretha"? The "Ms." seems out of place.

--213.196.5.160 18:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Music reviews in the NY Times generally use a system like this, i.e: Iggy Pop will be called "Mr. Pop", which seems kind of silly at first, but it's not unheard of. 65.66.152.54 01:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all! Iggy has said to an interviewer once that he may call him anything but NOT Mr. Osterberg. "Because that is private." -andy 23:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Meager

This is surprisingly meager considering how significant she is to music.--T. Anthony 20:36, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that Aretha is 'The Queen of soul' why is this article so lacking. She deserves more much more than this.

How bout Ahmet?

Considering the importance Aretha attaches to the late Ahmet Ertegun in her career (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6636365), shouldn't he be included here?

Biography?

I find it difficult to classify this as a biography entry, because it contains almost no biographical information at all. --Dandelions 00:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

where is she living now?

The whole thing on her voice being named a natural resource, while funny, needs to be cited or removed.

VH1 100 Greatest Women of Rock & Roll

Aretha was named the #1 greatest woman of rock. This should surely be included as an achievement.

from yo gil leiya murphy 216.124.93.39 (talk) 16:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What has Aretha Franklin got to do with Rock and Roll? People should not be given credits they don't deserve! 196.36.133.35 (talk) 08:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opera citation

I'm removing the "citation needed" for the reference to opera in the list of styles Franklin has sung in, as the reference to her performance of Nessum Dorma in the trivia section clearly backs-up the statement. 24.65.142.164 04:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cruft

she no's lots about rock and roll aretha is a very smart person and no's what she is doing and she is a very kind person and at one of her shows she erned 10,000,000 dolars and she gave half of it to the home less people and the save the rain forest commpany User:206.77.200.2 (talk) 03:12, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone report this? I don't know how, and after reading the talk page for this IP... it appears more vandalism is occurring?--24.131.209.180 (talk) 20:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Natural Resource

The natural resource fact in the introduction needs to be removed or cited because thats obviously absurd. 72.83.91.27 10:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed uncited 'natural resource' reference Rockcriedout 02:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)rockcriedout 22 June 2007[reply]

While you may think its funny, it is true. You should have never removed it. In 1985 Aretha Franklin's voice was declared a Natural Resouce by Gov. James Blanchard. http://www.detnews.com/2004/project/0405/12/e03-146690.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.135.65 (talk) 12:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A bit of Soul

I have an Aretha Franklin Cd named 'A bit of soul', and i was wondering about it. Its not on the discography for Aretha, and I was looking for well, the cd cover. But still, i would like to know about it, and i was wondering if anyone has found any information. thanks. 70.65.178.61 02:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)Phantasmigorical[reply]

"early life and career" section

"Teenage pregnancies derailed Franklin's gospel career when she gave birth to the first fried chicken restaraunt in the southern United States."

Hmm. Could we see some documentation? And what did she name her fried chicken restaraunt? 4.224.66.117 (talk) 05:06, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


"Aretha's parents had a troubled relationship and separated for the final time when Aretha was *six*, leaving her and her siblings to be raised by their paternal grandmother, Rachel Franklin (known as 'Big Momma'), as well as numerous female family friends who regularly visited the home, including Clara Ward and Mahalia Jackson. She also had the Siggers family on her mother's side of the family. Her parents separated when she was only *10*."

was she six or ten? Seems to be a direct contradiction to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 133.1.104.155 (talk) 04:08, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Opening sentence is extremely POV

Someone keeps re-inserting this pitiful line: "She is generally regarded as one of the greatest vocalists ever due to her ability to inject whatever she may be singing about with passion, soul and sheer conviction thanks to a massive vocal range and effortless power." WTF? This has no place in a Wikipedia article. Yes, some people may regard her as the best vocalist ever... but jeez... ever is a long time. This sentence needs to stay out of this article. Monitorer 09:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Acknowledged. This is wikipedia, not advertising sh*t -andy 23:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't even understand what that sentence is supposed to mean. 70.3.50.126 (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

I think the picture should be of during her peak years. Not when she's old and ugly. If you look at an encyclopedia, they show singers at their most famous periods, same with a museum. Something from the 60s or 70s should be used. Shoop85 (talk • contribs) 16:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is customary to feature live figures during the most recent years of their lives. When she dies, then that's debatable but for now, she is not a historical figure so it's inappropriate to time capsule her just yet. And her attractiveness and "most famous period" is POV. 12.162.122.6 (talk) 17:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know it's just my POV, but that photo's really not great. If there are any recent alternatives, please swap - the inauguration perhaps? 67.149.131.219 (talk) 23:36, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BLP removal

I have removed material from this article that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.

Please do not reinsert this material unless you can provide reliable citations, and can ensure it is written in a neutral tone. Please review the relevant policies before editing in this regard. Editors should note that failure to follow this policy may result in the removal of editing privileges.--Docg 23:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The tone of this bio has gotten very negative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.186.55 (talk) 07:09, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life

Aretha's personal life is barely covered here except for a brief mention of her teenage pregnancies. No mention of her marriages or her other 2 children. I don't expect a detailed saga, but a paragraph or two would be a good idea. Rodparkes 04:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I also saw no mention of her siblings, one of which starred with her in Blues Brothers and died at 44 from Cancer 78.86.230.62 (talk) 16:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to improve the article by adding any relevant and verifiable information, along with references. -- Timberframe (talk) 16:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aretha's personal life is barely covered because Aretha is a very private person. Nobody really knows for fact about her personal life. She doesn't reveal her private life even in her autobiography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.191.74 (talk) 21:12, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Album entry linked to wrong album

So Damn Happy is also a title of a Loudon Wainwright III album. As this links to the wrong album and not Aretha's, I had to remove this. -andy 84.149.70.253 23:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a result of a request from an anonymous reader, I have created a So Damn Happy (Aretha Franklin album) page and attempted to disambiguate all "So Damn Happy" references (of which, I was surprised to find, there are quite a few!). Pdfpdf (talk) 02:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

picture?

i don't want to be rude or anything. but i wouldn't say that her picture is very representative... an older one perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.84.202 (talk) 20:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Birth

There is currently a mismatch between the main article and the box on the right in terms of what year she was born in - anyone know whether she was born in '42 or '45? 99.231.203.159 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Awards and achievements

While it doesn't seem very positive, Franklin was given this award so I think your deletion of it should be reverted. Bob98133 (talk) 19:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coloratura Mezzo-Soprano

How appropriate is it to use this term from classical music to describe Franklin's voice? 82.110.248.146 (talk) 16:33, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quite; that what her voice is. Besides, in the info box, it just says mezzo-soprano, which is ideal. OettingerCroat (talk) 06:00, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First child?

Did she really give birth to her first child at the age of 12 (in 1954)? AuntFlo (talk) 12:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good question, we really need to sort this out.
According to IMDb she had her first child at 14, and her second at 16.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0291349/bio
This site says 15 though:
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Aretha-Franklin-Biography/5F5E8E9F3C35356548256C46002AA9DE
Maikel (talk) 11:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aretha

Aretha Franklin is the only person I know who has this given name. Can someone please tell me more about it, e. g. what does it mean, where is it derived from, etc.? Thanks, 14:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Feud with Tina Turner

That infamous night when Beyonce called Tina "The Queen" and Aretha got pissed off, plus this. That could be added in the article. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 03:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Repeated detail

The fact that Aretha Frankilin sang at the inauguration of President Barack Obama does not need to be repeated in the first paragraph. Once is enough with the links then to the imauguartion article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.174.149 (talk) 04:59, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Huh?

Under "Achievements and awards" it says:

"In 1805, then-Gov. James Blanchard of Michigan declared her voice “a natural resource” during a ceremony that marked her 25 years in show business"

1805? Is that a typo or is someone trying to say Aretha Franklin looks old? Either way, James Blanchard according to the wiki article was governor from 1983-1991. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.42.130 (talk) 08:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia almost?

Am I the only person who thinks that under Aretha's honors including a sentence with this "sang "America the Beautiful" at WrestleMania III sounds improper in between Franklin in tears upon her accepting the Medal from the President, and getting an honorary Doctorate in the section showing her acheivements? I would not hesitate to put a tidbit like WrestleMania in the text of some artists' articles, but considering Roseanne Barr "sang" the "National Anthem" in her own unique way at a Nationally televised event, somehow this sounds garish and tacky next to a woman who worked so hard to acheive greatness. It seems like people just dump anything possibly notable to a certain percentage of the populace all in the end of the articles of people who have accomplished much in loooong careers. Check out the end ofPeter Gabriel.--leahtwosaints (talk) 19:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Notable albums?

Are they really notable if they don't even have their own page on Wikipedia? MatthewWaller (talk) 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Choices

Comments that are nonconstructive and probably should be deleted-
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.


Hi Aretha, I have known you all of my teenage and adult life and have loved you all this time and will continue to do so.But your dress is sometime not approriate for the "queen" you are and will always be.I know that you might not care for this comment but what prompt me to send this note is a picture I saw of you on the internet with the spaghetti strapped dress. It simply broke my heart, to see you half dressed. You are my rose in spanish harlem. I know you know that beauty comes within the heart not outside the skin. But know, if you change or not, for the gift that you have given me and the world you undoubtabally will always be my sister queen of soul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.111.22.23 (talk) 18:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You do realize that the chances of her ever reading this are slim, right? HypertimeTraveller (talk) 20:31, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Slimmer than her, certainly. Matthau (talk) 13:03, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing Grace Documentary and A Woman Falling Out of Love

Amazing Grace has been made into a documentary and will be released this winter... http://www.prefixmag.com/news/long-lost-aretha-franklin-documentary-trailer-rele/38311/

A Women Falling Out of Love is suppose to be released this year. Aretha held a listing party in Detroit on Feb 26,2010...

http://detnews.com/article/20100226/ENT04/2260437/1424/ENT04/Aretha-Franklin-previews-new-CD-at-tea-party

Can her page be updated with this new info?...Thank you.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketlow (talk • contribs) 04:47, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Attack on Franklin's son

I found the source:

WhisperToMe (talk) 03:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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