Talk:Batman

Discussion pertaining to non-free image(s) used in article

A cleanup page has been created for WP:FILMS' spotlight articles. One element that is being checked in ensuring the quality of the articles is the non-free images. Currently, one or more non-free images being used in this article are under discussion to determine if they should be removed from the article for not complying with non-free and fair use requirements. Please comment at the corresponding section within the image cleanup listing. Before contributing the discussion, please first read WP:FILMNFI concerning non-free images. Ideally the discussions pertaining to the spotlight articles will be concluded by the end of June, so please comment soon to ensure there is clear consensus. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:02, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Frankm.russo, 3 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Okay, look I just want to change one thing okay. But if it doesn't go the way you like it. Then, I won't do it again.

Frankm.russo (talk) 23:24, 3 July 2010 (UTC) That's it.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Salvio ( ^{Let's talk 'bout it!}) 00:33, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH U THINKING BATMAN IS GAY

He is NOT gay, what the heck, he a been involved with so many chicks and bob kane never created him as gay. he is also the most sacrificial superhero and saved millions of heroes including supes himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.41.15 (talk) 15:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

We're not exactly saying he is. We're taking both sides of the story. It has been sort of common to speculate Batman of homosexuality probably with his relationship with Robin in the past. So that's probably why the section is there. I do believe the article mentioned what you said about Bob Kane mentioning that so calm down. This discussion might be better in the Homosexuality in the Batman franchise article though. Jhenderson777 (talk) 15:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

He sure did love to slide down the bat-pole.129.139.1.68 (talk) 19:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

not that there is anything wrong with that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.42.202 (talk) 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Non-free content

I notice that there are a large number of non-free images in this article, and, basically, I'm asking if the regular editors could review their use if possible- ensure that every image is required. Ideally, we should use as little non-free content as possible. I'm yet to look through it with a fine-toothed comb myself, but I am concerned there may be some unwarranted images. J Milburn (talk) 20:07, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Looking over what is in place:

• Batman Lee.png - Works well for the infobox
• Detective Comics 27.jpg - Also worke well where it is and for what it is.
• Batman227.jpg - Doesn't work. If it's supposed to peovide an example of the late 60s/early70s revampted look of the character, it falls well short and essentially duplicates the reason for the infobox image.
• Dark knight returns.jpg - Does work to a degree since it is some what illustrating a major point in the section it's in.
• Detective-33-Bat.png - Works about as well. Though it is something the text can clearly convey.
• DetectiveComics327NewLook.jpg - Adds nothing beyond "We have a comic book cover here."
• Bane-breaks-Batman-497pg21.png - While it is pointed as a pivotal/important plot moment, like the Detective Comics 33 panel, this is something that can be conveyed in the text.
• Black Lantern Batman.jpg - Really doesn't seem to be needed here - "And the zombie-Batman looked like..."
• DC Batman.jpg - Duplicates the function of the infobox. And in a less engaging way.
• Dick Grayson as Batman.jpg - Also duplicates the infobox. And if we have to spell out that it's Grayson, which we have to, it is less useful than text making the point.
• USD205998.png - Is free to use IIUC.
• BatmanRobin.jpg - Is illustrative of the section it's in.
• Batmanfoes.jpg - Likewise.
• Batman keaton 89.jpg - Is appropriate within the context of the section.
• Batmananimated32.png - Likewise.
• Batbed.png - As much as the section is loathed, this is a dead on example of its content an the topic it covers.

So... of 16 images, 1 is free, 8 seem to be solid for fair use, 2 are border line, and 5 are just decoration.

- J Greb (talk) 03:29, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree with many of your thoughts here. I have removed the five decorative uses, as well as the "borderline" uses- as you say, they are very much replaceable with text. This is a good start. J Milburn (talk) 12:14, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Pull quotes

I'd like to put forth a suggestion. In advancing the article on Anarky, I've long ago expunged any excessive images. In order to replace these, I've pulled together many useful quotes that elaborate upon a topic. I highly recommend the same be done here. In many instances, the quotes can be more interesting than images. How many depictions of Batman do you need, when they just take up space that could be reserved for a quote by Bob Kane or Dennis O'Neil commenting on the character's development and impact? --Cast (talk) 18:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Bill Finger's inspiration

Will Murray tracked down the Shadow novel Bill Finger used as inspiration for the first Batman story, "The Case of the Chemical Syndicate" in Detective Comics #27. It's "Partners of Peril" from 1936. I wonder if this should be added to the article? Thanks! Darci (talk) 18:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Darknight Detective

I see that my edit that stated that Batman was also known as the Darknight Detective has been changed, even though he was known as that throughout the Seventies and Eighties. I am requesting it be changed back, since a Google search will show that I am right. jtmatbat (talk) 07:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I decided to add it again in reedited form, since I have to admit that my previous effort was a little clunky. However, if the moderators decide to remove it once again, I won't post anything more on the subject.jtmatbat (talk) 18:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually, leafing through a few comics from my youth, Batman was referred to as the Darknight Detective, not the Dark Knight Detective. Therefore, I have made the proper correction. jtmatbat (talk) 19:19, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

VasOling, that's the second time that you have removed my addition regarding the fact that Batman is known as the Darknight Detective. It would be nice if you would make your case here as to why it shouldn't be included. If I need to add a reference, I will do so. jtmatbat (talk) 10:21, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Characterization: Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson and Damian Wayne

I think we should at least mention Damian Wayne in this section because he has been referenced to becoming Batman after Bruce dies (he appeared as Batman in Batman #666 and #700, Superman/Batman #75, a vague reference in Teen Titans Vol. 3 #18, and DC One Million). JulezNossy (talk) 17:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I also think that it should mention something about terry mcginnis being batman (batman beyond)

Edit request from Atmamog, 24 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}}

The main profile picture of Batman needs an update. The character of Bruce Wayne has undergone a new costume change after his recent return since the events of DC Comics' major event "Final Crisis". I am able to provide a sufficient picture in .jpg format if needed.

Atmamog (talk) 01:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

 Not done for now:It's not necessary that the picture represent the most current image/costume. However, I'm not a regular editor of comic-book pages, so more experienced editors may disagree. For now I'll mark this as complete, but feel free to continue discussing. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:45, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually replacing an image that represents the longstanding, generally accepted or recognized "look" of a comic book charcater is contrary to WP:CMOS#BOXIMAGE. It also puts undue weight on the "new" look, a recent change to the character. - J Greb (talk) 15:50, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Batman Should Be Labeled As A Superhero

Batman was the first man to throw Superman off his feet without using kryponite or magic in the cartoon. Batman is able to dodge superhuman abilities at superhuman fast agility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnthonyTheGod (talk • contribs) 12:23, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

He's been called a superhero in the lead for quite a while, and is used as an example at Superhero (along with Green Arrow and others) as an an example of superheroes without superpowers. So I don't understand the point of the above. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:24, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Dark Knight Returns Modern Batman

Just to say at the end of this section it is a bit misleading to say that Judd Winick returned to be Batman title. Yes this is true and deserves its place in the expanded section below or in the Batman (comic) page but the section where he is mentioned here only seems for defining moments. Winick came back for 3-4 issues and it was widely unremarkable at that. It would make sense to say batman was taken over by Tony Daniel for example whos run was much more notable and extensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.81.66.129 (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)