Talk:Stingray

Bled from heart into abdominal cavity?

WHy does this article say its speculated Steve bled from heart wound into abdominal cavity? Was the diaphragm transected, or is someone's anatomy not so hot? 65.185.93.86 (talk) 01:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Steve Irwin's revenge from beyond the grave.

I didn't find this particularly worthy of inclusion in the article. If people continue to hate Stingrays for years to come, maybe, but as it stands now, this is likely not notable enough in relation to stingrays as a whole. It could be included in Irwin's article, I guess.

Since the death of Steve Irwin, 10 stingrays have been found mutilated on Queensland beaches in apparent revenge attacks.

- BalthCat 23:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

If Irwin gets a mention, then I think the retribution attacks on sting rays should also be added to the page, to balance the ledger. JP Psmith 08:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

No, it is not worthy. We should not care about what a few mad fans do. This article is about Stingrays. We included his death as an afterthought to demonstrate they can be dangerous and because he was a known figure, but we should not care whether non notable people are doing to them. -- ReyBrujo 17:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's quite notable what non-notable people are doing to stingrays. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.44.115.229 (talk • contribs) .

In the same vein, I removed this statement:

This high-profile death resulted in a backlash against stingrays.

If you put in an example of how exactly someone has achieved a "backlash against stingrays" then this would make sense, but right now it seems nonsensical (I thought it was a joke).

Protection Again?

Judging by the number of revertings in the edit history for today (Sept. 18th) there's a lot of vandals on this page yet. Do you think I should put it under semiprotection? 204.185.36.198 17:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

This is me BTW (forgot to log in). Also, I created an archive for this page. Indiawilliams 17:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Eh, I'm gonna go ahead and semi-protect it. Remove it if you wish but I get the feeling there'll be people wanting to get 'revenge' on this animal for some time to come. Indiawilliams 22:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I removed the template. You need to protect the article manually, and only administrators can do that. In other words, adding the template alone does not protect the article. You can request it to be protected here. -- ReyBrujo 22:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Well I'll get right on that. Thanks for the heads-up. Indiawilliams 00:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, how did u post on September 19? I'm only on the 18th! Anyway, I'm a new user but I'll get on that too. --DrZeus 01:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

It was protected following numerous "joke" edits by internet comedians following Irwin's untimely demise. What content did you want to add? You can add it here, or perhaps an admin will remove protection. In either case, I recommend registering. - BalthCat 05:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's another nice one removed:" Stingrays now commonly referred to as the 'hated ones' are known world-wide as the killer of the Crocodile Hunter (the 'loved one')." At least it's calming down.==Justfred 03:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Red Links

Now I'm noticing there's a lot of red links in the article. Should those even be there if no one's going to create articles for them? Indiawilliams 15:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

No; see Wikipedia:Red link. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 20:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Fatal sting

i didn't know where to post this, but steve irwin didn't actually die from a fatal sting, it was more the fact it penetrated his heart. like an arrow or something. the venom in the sting didn't cause it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.11.144.55 (talk • contribs) .

Understood, but fatal sting does not imply he died from the venom; rather he died as a direct result of being stung. While it might be confusing to some; the details can be found in the Irwin article. - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 01:07, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

reproduction

How do stingrays reproduce? Isn't that vital information that should be included on the page? Robin Chen 02:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

"Like other rays, dasyatids are viviparous, bearing live young in "litters" of five to ten." Or did you mean, how do they mate?--Justfred 15:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, sorry about the confusion. - Robin Chen 05:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Most likely it's similar to sharks [1] but even that isn't well-documented here. I believe they have claspers, that's also how to tell male vs female, but I don't really know enough to add it to the article. Maybe you could look for references, research it?--Justfred 15:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Robin - you removed "Like other rays, dasyatids are viviparous, bearing live young in "litters" of five to ten." without explanation. My understanding is that this is what distinguishes "rays" from "skates", which are oviporous. Care to explain? We really should have a source here, tho.--Justfred

I did not REmove it, I moved it to the reproduction section, it's still there if I remember correctly.--Robin Chen 19:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Never mind, must have been two separate edits, only saw the last.--Justfred 21:25, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Picture of barb?

stingray stinger

Can anyone post a picture of a barb or stinger, and give its measurements? I truly don't understand how big the thing is that killed Irwin, or what it looks like.Nospamtodd 12:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)nospamtodd

I don't know details, but generally the stinger looks like a very long, thin serrated knife. Would guess that in Irwin's case it would have been at least a foot long or so, maybe half an inch wide; don't know how much of that actually would have entered his body, perhaps less than 4" or so.--Justfred 15:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's one I took. I added it to the article some time ago, thinking that a mediocre image of a stinger is better than none. But someone else did not like it and removed it. If enough users want it I'll be happy to add it again. Janderk 20:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the thing that gets ejected by the stingray is much smaller than the whole tail. On the Today Show today they showed a barb that had entered a guy when the stingray jumped into his boat. It was only 4" long.

Nothing actually gets "ejected". The barb is brittle, and can break off; as I read it, on the Florida incident it actually broke apart after entering the victim's body. If you take a close look at the picture, the barb is above and parallel to the tail.--Justfred 03:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Another heart wound

Read in the paper (LA Times) this morning, that there was another person wounded by a stingray in the heart; in Florida. [2] "Bertakis, of Lighthouse Point, was boating on the Intracoastal Waterway on Wednesday afternoon when a 3-foot-wide stingray burst from the water and stuck his chest with its barb. Bertakis was able to pilot the boat to land and call 911." I don't think this merits mentioning in the article but I wanted to note it here.--Justfred 15:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

More info here: [3]

"This ray leaped into a boat that a gentleman was just cruising on the Intracoastal like every ordinary family does, and apparently he tried to remove it from his boat and it kind of latched onto him," said Rich Gonzalez of Lighthouse Point Fire Rescue.

--Justfred 17:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

and ANOTHER heart wound

"A couple of years ago, a 35-year-old Australian bloke on holidays in Fiji was stung in the chest as he swam over a large stingray; the barb punctured his heart and he died a day later as a result of his injuries." [4] Wow, how often does this happen??
- Robin Chen 20:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

We have three cited instances of fatal or near fatal attacks by stingrays on humans by stabbing them in the heart. I believe that's notable enough to be mentioned in the article. Cla68 07:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I have included an article about four chest wounds due to sting rays, as well as other possible injuries due to stingrays. Robin Chen 20:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice to have a bigger picture, like some statistics on how frequent fatalities are. --Delirium 17:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

This article should be protected.

They are so much vandalism and whole page is getting deleted by ip. Can this article be protected?. --SkyWalker 11:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Go make a request at WP:RFPP. Viridae^Talk 11:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Flattening

"Stingrays were originally a larger, thicker species but over time become flattened by the pressure of the sea as they lived in the mirky depths of the ocean." - They became flattened by the pressure of the sea? In water, this pressure would be equal from all sides, not only from top/bottom. Also, it would imply that all deep sea fish would have to be flat, which is clearly not the case. 192.35.17.10 15:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Question About The Barb

Can anybody answer this for me? According to reports, Steve Irwin took out the barb that was in his chest. I would like to know whether a) the stingray dies after losing its barb (indeed no report is known of whether the stingray survived or if it was killed after killing Steve) like a bee dying after stinging a person b) if no, can a stingray grow another barb? Thank you.

I think they live without their barb..not sure if it grows back. Xunflash 14:53, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

This page seems to indicate that the barb does grow back, and is even shed if it isn't used for a while: [5] --IvyMike 01:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. That site should be added to the main page. Stingrays are fascinating creature...

No they aren't24.29.74.132 23:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Envirocbr (talk) 03:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)They will not grow a barb backEnvirocbr (talk) 03:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

A litter of stingrays

WHILE WALKING ALONG THE GULF, MY DAUGHTER SAW A GROUP OF 8 OR SO SMALL STINGRAYS. IS IT CHARACTERISTIC FOR A LITTER TO STAY TOGETHER AFTER BIRTH AND FOR HOW LONG?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.16.2 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 4 June 2007

Please, STOP SHOUTING! —Quicksilver^{T @} 19:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi there

I felt that there were perhaps to many pictures in this article. Lets try to show only the stuff thats really informative--Albert Kok 18:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Image

A blue-spotted stingray seen in the coast of Southern Leyte Islands, Philippines

I think this one is good to be associated in the page. Since it is already overcrowded with irrelevant ones, I will just post it here. --βritandβeyonce ^{(talk•contribs)}

Stingray death - Spotted eagle ray ?

It would appear we don't have anThe article about the ray that was involved in the unusual death off the coast of Florida [6] - I think it is Leopard whipray - not sure seems to be Spotted eagle ray - but not appearing on this article although the news reports at this stage are describing it as a "stingray" --Matilda ^talk 23:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Severed artieries as an effect of stinging.

The article mentions severed arteries as an effect of being stabbed as a stingray. I would imagine that this is implicit as part of the injuries of a stab wound, such as broken skin, broken tissue, severed veins, etc. Should it be removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommylommykins (talk • contribs) 00:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Removal of "largest stingray" section

I have removed the following section: Perhaps the largest stingray ever found weighed almost 1500 kilograms (3300 pounds) and measured over 5 meters (16.5 feet) in width . It was caught by fishermen near Hainan Sanya in China."Giant 3,300 Lbs Stingray Caught by Local Fisherman." Weird Asia News 04 Aug. 2008. 26 Feb. 2009 <http://www.weirdasianews.com/2008/08/11/giant-3300-lbs-stingray-caught-by-local-fisherman/> The sourced article does not list a species and the ray in the article looks just like a manta ray which to my knowledge is the only species to approach such a size.

Cancun Stingrays

I have been reading the forums for Cancun, there have been several references to the stingrays there. They have been described as being aprox. 1 foot long and somewhat aggresive. According to Wiki. they are dosile creatures... are these reports from Cancun an overreation or is there a type of stingray present that necessitates more caution? Looking for advice and information as to the type of stingrays these are. Thanks!

--75.120.187.225 (talk) 20:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Factual information about anatomy needed

I understand that there has been vandalism om this page, but as it stands now, basic information about notable stingray anatomy is clearly missing.

I.e. nowhere does it say that stingrays have stingers? Or what a "stinger" is (but a link to stinger will solve that). It does talk about stinger injuries though.

If you live in a part of the world where stingrays are common, then you might think this is common knowledge, but an article about stingrays *really* needs to mention that stingrays has stingers, how many they have, and where they are located! How about what size they have? I generally think about bees when "stinger" is mentioned, but from this talk page discussion about heart injuries, I guess this is a different scale.

It's my general impression that a stingray has two stingers on the tail, but no idea if this always applies.

Do stingray generally have venom stingers? The article mention something about treatment of wounds for venom, but no general information about this. Sorry to boast my ignorance, but stingrays are not found in my part of the world. 62.107.175.181 (talk) 06:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I've now added a bit of basic info on their stingers to the intro of the article. 212.10.76.197 (talk) 21:34, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Superorder MIssing

The Superorder for the Stingray is missing. It should be listed as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batoidea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.152.197.86 (talk) 04:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Steve Irwin should at least be MENTIONED here.

I don't say write a huge essay in every detail, do I? But as the situation is now, Irwin is completely left unmentioned in the whole article. I agree it ought to be as terse as possible, but please DO mention him, if only just once. Here's a good example how to do it (you deleters you!!) linky Ah yes, and the always-too-eager deleters may even explain to us WHY this information is unsourced. I think it was covered by worldwide media and I wouldn't speak of "unsourced." (Not anymore, at least) -andy 217.50.60.151 (talk) 01:07, 20 April 2011 (UTC)