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Why is zeta popular in furry fandom? --SPUI (T - C) 14:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Zeta (letter) → Zeta — Since the Greek letter is prominent enough that the term "zeta" should go there instead of a disambiguation page. —Yath 08:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Support Other uses are derived or obscure. —Michael Z. 2007-08-16 19:47 Z
Support - I have to agree. If a person searches Zeta they are probably looking for the letter and not some fraternity that has "Zeta" as one of the letters. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 22:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support - as its a primary usage Reginmund 06:50, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Scanning the disambig page, I can't find any rivals for primary usage. They're all derivative. Andrewa 11:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I stand corrected below, the name of the Zeta River derives from an early root meaning "harvest" or "grain" according to the article, and the Principality of Zeta is named after the river. But I still think the primary meaning in English is the Greek letter, so no change of vote. Andrewa 14:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support The Montenegrin river is unlikely to be derivative, but is it real competition? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed from Zeta (letter) to Zeta as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 11:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation in Ancient Greek

I would like to point out that Ionic (and Doric) σσ (which is regular in the Koine, as well) corresponds to Attic (and Boeotian) ττ, which seems to go back to *[ts] via an intermediate *[θθ] (this sound change has a neat parallel in the Finnish dialects). Interestingly, *[st] in some Greek dialects seems to have merged with *[θθ] and is spelled σσ or ττ respectively (which can be paralleled with developments in Celtic where *[st] becomes [θθ] or [ss], except in Celtiberian). It is tempting to think that the voiced equivalents of *[ts] and *[st] developped in a parallel fashion: First, *[dz] became *[ðð], and *[zd] merged with this sound in various dialects. Then, it became *[zz] in Ionic (but it does not seem to have become [dd] in Attic - on the other hand, perhaps Attic ττ was really a spelling for [θθ] - or even [ts], as suggested in Ancient Greek phonology - anyway, and ζ was likewise a spelling for [ðð] - or even [dz] - in Attic). Then we would have [zz] in the Koine just as we have [ss], and this is (besides the retention of original *[st]) in fact what we find. (Modern Standard Greek, predictably, simplifies the geminates.) This kind of reasoning (paralleling the voiced sounds with the voiceless ones) is not new if one looks at the arguments in favour of [zd] and against. Therefore I think it would be worthwhile to examine if the assumption that *[zd] and *[dz] developped in a manner (largely) parallel to *[st] and *[ts] explains all the facts. Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds interesting. Is it citable? (cf. WP:NOR and WP:RS) --macrakis (talk) 03:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't think so, I'm afraid. I just wanted to throw it out somewhere. That said, I've always been reluctant to accept the [zd] reading for its eccentricity, but the argument with Bulgarian is a very good one I have to admit now. In fact, even Proto-Slavic */dʲ/ has turned into /ʒd/ in Bulgarian, that would be an even more accurate parallel. (It's also curious that the best parallel is found in a geographically neighbouring language.) Although I have to say it still mystifies me how that works phonetically. But I'm now more ready (than I used to be) to consider the /zd/ solution, as well. --84.151.219.189 (talk) 05:32, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]