Talk:Christmas

Picture in infobox

Willrocks10, why are you insisting on changing the picture in the upper right hand corner? The only reason you've given is that you think it "looks better." I think the creche with Christmas trees in the background illustrates the topic. If you don't have a good reason for the change, please don't change it.

If there are no objections, I plan to change it back again. Ruckabumpkus (talk) 22:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Willrocks10, please stop making your substitution of the image in the infobox. That picture has been there quite a while, and your opinion that the one you keep substituting "looks better" is not sufficient reason for making such a change. (Besides, I think it's a tacky-looking tree). If you persist in making your substitution, I will assume you're committing vandalism. Ruckabumpkus (talk) 13:25, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree that we should keep the nativity scene/trees picture and not the Christmas tree that Willrocks10 (and his sockpuppet?) are trying to insert. Willrocks, please join discussion here and reach consensus for change before re-inserting the image. — CIS ^(talk |

EXCUSE ME! How ruse of you! PBL1998 is not my sockpuppet!

WILLROCKS10 (talk) 18:00, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

stalk) 19:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC) I agree that the nativity scene is a better depiction of the holiday. It seems more holistic and I like the fact that Christian and pagan symbols are present in the picture. Elielilamasabachthani (talk) 21:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Fine keep the nativity picture. Even though the tree looks better because they are more bold.

WILLROCKS10 (talk) 12:15, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 75.203.4.188, 17 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} THE MAGI IN THE BOOK OF MATTHEW DID NOT VISIT AN INFANT IN A MANGER ,BUT HE WAS FOUND IN AN HOUSE AND COULD HAVE BEEN APPROX. 2 YEARS LATER.BECAUSE IT STATES THAT HEROD INSTRUCTED THE CHILDREN TO BE SLAIN 2 YEARS AND UNDER BECAUSE 2 YRS. HAD PASSED SINCE HE TALKED TO THE MAGI. MATTHEW IS THEREFORE MIS- REPRESENTED.

MATHEW-2:11 AND MATTHEW-2:16 75.203.4.188 (talk) 03:53, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. What you are asking to add is considered original research. If you find a reliable source that comes to the same conclusion as you have, feel free to post it here and remove the "tlf|" from the template to restore your request to the queue. Thank you, — Bility (talk) 20:23, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

The citation was already given and I don't believe additional sources are needed for this. English translations of Matthew clearly state that the Magi visited a house (there was no mention of a manger in Matthew) and Herod ordered all children up to age two to be slain and this age was chosen "according to the time which he (Herod) had exactly learned of the Wise-men" (from Matthew 2:16, American Standard Version) This WP article describes that the two gospel stories have different details, so I think we made that clear already. Also, in the "Commemorating Jesus' Birth" section, the second paragraph states, "According to popular tradition..." and then describes the popular understanding of the birth story. This section does not say, "according to the bible". I am certain that the average person (in the U.S. anyway) has no clue that popular tradition is a blend of two biblical birth stories. Nevertheless, this is the popular tradition, even if the popular traditions don't clearly match the biblical descriptions. I agree with the comments made by 75.203.4.188, but I'm not sure exactly where and how 75.203.4.188 would like the article to be edited. Elielilamasabachthani (talk) 13:21, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 122.177.51.205, 27 June 2011

Please add this External link to this article.

• Christmas celebrations

122.177.51.205 (talk) 10:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The link appears to be to a commercial site, advertising wares for sale. As per policy WP:EL, these links are not permitted. --HighKing (talk) 10:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

but there is also one link Christmas Newswire in External link section that is also same website we are saying to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.120.4 (talk) 11:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

God came to earth at christmas??

Dear editor, regarding the contribution of your christmas item, you say 'its a time when God came to earth'.. of course it was Gods Son that came to earth, to Atone for Mans fall from grace, God sacrificed his Son, he did not sacrifice Himself!! 'he sent his only begotten Son' Regards; M. O'Dwyer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.126.60.22 (talk) 12:30, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality Issue?

From the introduction paragraph: "The supposed details of his birth are recorded in two of the Canonical gospels in the New Testament of the Bible." I added the emphasis to the word supposed, because it seems out of place in an encyclopedia. Different people have different beliefs. By calling them supposed details, the article seems to show an author's bias, as it implies that the details "recorded in two of the Canonical gospels...." aren't an accurate history of what actually occurred. I think intro could be changed so that it doesn't question one of the cornerstones of Christianity, while simultaneously avoiding calling into question the beliefs of non-Christians. Something like "Christians believe that the details of his birth are recorded in two of the...." would work better. Yes, I realize that there are multiple definitions for supposed, but the one that seems to apply to this context is definition 2A from www.m-w.com, which defines supposed as "held as an opinion : believed; also : mistakenly believed : imagined." --Lacarids (talk) 23:27, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

How about, "Narratives of his birth are included in...."? Ruckabumpkus (talk) 02:41, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

"Narratives" works better. Especially as not all Christians believe in the details of the bible as fact. Some see them as allegorical stories. MightyAtom (talk) 21:53, 24 September 2011 (UTC)