Talk:Killing of Meredith Hunter

Images

A photo of Meredith would be nice. I read on article that said he was high on meth. Perhaps if someone could obtain the court documents we'd know more. 66.190.72.225 08:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is Meredith: [1] - top left photo. Here? [2] - top left photo. Here is a color photo [3] - I'm assuming that's him in the white hat, front of stage 66.190.72.225 00:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I doubt the last image is him though that person appears to have darker skin color than the others. In [4] you'll note he's wearing a white blazer, dark-colored shirt, and white pants. 66.190.72.225 04:40, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

his suit is lime green 05:08, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the image of Meredith on the page may be him at Altamont. He is wearing a lime green suit, plus the sign behind him says, "Entrance ahead" - entrance to the fesival I'd imagine. Anyway, his gf said he took the gun from the car right before they left it for the festival saying something like, "I may need this for protection." Friendlyliz 18:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Racial Relations

Hunter was probably the only black person at the concert. Perhaps this should be mentioned? 66.190.72.225 07:39, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Placed African American category tag on article. 66.190.72.225 00:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

"The only black person"? What's your sources? 惑乱 分からん 20:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Not so. Just finished watching Gimme Shelter and there were hundreds of black people there. There were also people collecting donations for the Black Panthers. Jm butler 23:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Other Notes

The girl Hunter was with is named Patty Bredahoff.

Check out the videos at [5]. Supposidly Pasarro had $10,000 on him when he drowned.

Hunter may have been trying to kill Mick [6] [7]

Autopsy results are mentioned at the bottom of this article: [[8]]

Background missing

This article should explain more about Meredith Hunter than just his death even if that's the most important part of the article. Can someone expand it? --Ghormax 18:27, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

His date of birth is included. If not for that fateful day it is likely that very few other than close friends and family (and God, if you believe) ever knew of his existence, or would care or be able to remember him 30 years later. Unless of course he might have gone on to become, for example, the first black president of the USA, or the leader of the Black Panthers, or CEO of Microsoft, or some other notable subject worthy of a Wikipedia biography, he was just another dude at a free concert. Unlikely that very many of us who fall into that category warrant our very own article. Garth of the Forest (talk) 17:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Fired

Hunter actually fired the gun. This is not stated in the article. A film shows this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.156.12 (talk • contribs) 15:15, February 24, 2007 (UTC)

Sonny Barger said that a Hell's Angel was slightly injured by the shot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.207.0 (talk) 13:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

A film shows orange fire at the end of Hunter's gun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.4.21 (talk) 14:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Barger's remark was not made until some time after the event. It is hard to check. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.223.218 (talk) 15:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

There seem to be no independent witnesses who saw an Angel slightly injured. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.51.240 (talk) 12:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Patty Bredahoff said, "Don't shoot anyone." repeatedly. This was ignored by Hunter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.11.103 (talk) 12:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

See comments below regarding the film. 130.156.31.250 (talk) 22:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Wanting to kill Jagger

Its been a long-believed rumor among loyal Stones fans that Hunter, acting very belligerently, said "I'm gonna kill that motherfucking Jagger." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.209.226.183 (talk) 19:28, 15 November 2007 (UTC) It seems that Hunter's bullet missed Jagger. It will be vital to look at the film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.11.103 (talk) 15:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Meth

An earlier version noted that M.Hunter was under the influence of methamphetamine when he fired. Miss Bredahoff repeatedly said "Don't shoot anyone." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.207.0 (talk) 13:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The reference to Hunter's chemical was taken out on 12/10/2007, with no proof that Hunter was sober. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.207.0 (talk) 13:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

An autopsy showed up the methamphetamine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.4.21 (talk) 14:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hunter's gun

Carter arranged for Hunter's gun to be given to a lawyer called Belli. It was then apparently given to the Police. The Police have never claimed that all rounds in the gun were live. This shows that a round was fired. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.207.0 (talk) 12:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Carter was keen to show Hunter's gun to the Police, in an attempt to prove that Carter should not be prosecuted. The gun showed that Hunter had started the incident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.4.21 (talk) 10:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Hunter had made at least "two charges on the stage", according to "Rolling Stone" and may have seen the Angels as his enemies after that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.4.21 (talk) 10:31, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Carter was a business-man, who owned the area where the pop concert took place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.223.218 (talk) 18:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Melvin Belli and Dick Carter were the full names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.4.21 (talk) 11:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Hunter's gun reached the Police in California by the Jan. of 1970. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.51.240 (talk) 14:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

The Angels were also keen to give the gun to the Police, for the same reason as Carter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.212.97 (talk) 13:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:Orange Flash in Film as Proof of Gunfire

What the Rolling Stone Article says:

In one frame, just before he is jumped, there is an unmistakable orange flash at the end of the pistol, Bibb adds. It lasts only for this one frame. Bibb is not saying this is a gunshot, and he's not saying it's not. It might be, say, a reflection off someone's watch or glasses. "The Angels say there was a shot fired," says Bibb. "I can't tell you. It's impossible, really, to tell what it is. None of us heard a shot."

Porter Bibb was an executive producer with The Maysles Brothers, the film company which had filmed the Stones' tour.

A link to the article appears in the External Links section

130.156.31.223 (talk) 21:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

None of the videos online I have seen have any orange flash before he is tackled by Passaro. There is a flash afterwards which looks more like a camera flash. It would also appear that he actually dropped the gun when he slipped to the ground just before he was stabbed, as a study of his hand in the second between those occasions shows that it is probably gunless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.9.97.204 (talk) 10:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Times

"Albert Maysles...spoke of scenes that seem to show Hunter taunting the Hell's Angels and of another shot that showed an orange flash, perhaps the flash of Hunter's gun being fired." See http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article430230.ece —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.79.153 (talk) 13:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Next line from article :"Whether or not he had fired the gun is an enduring puzzle." 130.156.30.172 (talk) 17:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Others claim that whether or not he had a gun in his possession at the time is an enduring puzzle. It's all pure speculation unless reputable sources are cited for any material in this article. I've added references in the past which present the alternative viewpoint (that he may have had no gun on him at the time), but the content was removed. Garth of the Forest (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The gun is clearly visible in the film. It was given to the Californian Police. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.182.231 (talk) 12:05, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Futher note

See http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-63161.html Myles notes that Meredith "fired" his revolver. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.51.240 (talk) 17:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Great evidence. A post on a message board. Myles has a lot to say, doesn't he?

You might learn something here.130.156.29.101 (talk) 23:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Futher note (2)

See http://www.criterion.com/asp/release.asp?id=99&eid=109&section=essay&page=2 Barger says that an Angel was shot and injured slightly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.197.91 (talk) 17:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, now there is a reliable, objective source, a convicted felon who claims that the HA are just a bunch of misunderstood people who like to ride motorcycles, and whose close associates were there at the time and some of them could have been one of the individuals who inflicted wounds on the victim in addition to those inflicted by the man who was ultimately charged. There is no evidence to support the suggestion that a member of the HA, or anyone else involved or within range at the time of the Hunter incident, was wounded by gunfire, other than the claims of the HA members and associates. It is pure speculation, and could very well also be pure BS. But I certainly wouldn't tell Barger that to his face.He might be in his seventies and weakened from cancer but he could probably still kick my ass or more likely have a swarm of his thugs do it for him. P.S. I am not supporting one view or the other. Barger could be telling the truth. I read his autobiographical book and he seems like a straight shooter on many issues, but in his book he obviously avoids being completely forthcoming about other issues (by omission) - likely to avoid further prosecutions for he or his colleagues, or to continue to promote the organization's laughable public marketing claims that they are simply a "motorcycle club" who have a few members who sometimes break the law. They are an organized crime syndicate, pure and simple, this transition from "outlaw motorcycle club" to "organized crime syndicate" has been going on since about the mid-sixties, and there is plenty of evidence to support this. For anyone to suggest otherwise is to really bring in to question your own POV and knowledge of the subject matter. Garth of the Forest (talk) 18:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree there's no proof Hunter fired a shot, but he most definitely brandished the pistol, likely with the intent of shooting Mick Jagger as, according to several witnesses including his girlfriend he was yelling at Jagger both times he tried to rush the stage. He was also so high he could barely speak or walk. I made a similar change to Altamont Free Concert. Bullzeye ^contribs 13:20, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think anyone is trying to deny the pistol was brought out. Saying that he intended to shoot Jagger is speculation. Also, if he was so high he could barely speak or walk, how did he manage to yell at Jagger and rush the stage? 130.156.29.64 (talk) 17:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Numerous attempts have been made to take out remarks about the bright orange flash at the end of Hunter's gun. The flash is easily visible in one frame in the film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.145.214 (talk) 10:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Please read all of the above. — Satori Son 16:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Payment

The Angels got $500 worth of beer and money. And other things maybe, but money for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.55.140.174 (talk) 00:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Unmarked Grave?

There is a photo of his clearly marked grave at one of the references given in this article: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=13855749

It also gives his full name, which is not given in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.220.15.103 (talk) 19:01, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Notability?

Seems like a blatant case of a person only notable for one event. There's nothing here that can't be covered in the Altamont Free Concert article. Stu ^{’Bout ye!} 23:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Spelling

Miss Bredahoff's name is sometimes spelled Bredehoft. She seems to have given evidence at the trial of Passaro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.30.71.244 (talk • contribs) 15:18, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Father

Meredith is said to have had an American Indian father. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.30.71.244 (talk • contribs) 15:42, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Could you please provide a link to a reliable source for that information? If so, I'll update the article. — Satori Son 16:04, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

See http://www.iorr.org/talk/read.php?1,1165602,1165750 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.212.102 (talk) 16:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Name change

It would be more appropriate to name this article Murder of Meredith Hunter as it is about the incident rather than the person. 82.34.68.225 (talk) 14:40, 7 May 2010 (UTC) There is nothing to be gained by a long argument on the title of this article.

East Bay Executors

Meredith Hunter was a member of a gang called the East Bay Executors. A Google search will produce some sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.117.81 (talk) 14:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

The gang has been described as petty.

No danger

There is no danger of being sued for libel by Passaro, as he is no longer with us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.30.71.244 (talk) 15:12, 14 June 2010 (UTC) As Passaro was acquitted in about 1971, newspapers were very vague. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.30.71.244 (talk) 15:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)