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Bobby Driscoll

Hi. You are mistaken. If you read the edit history of the article correctly, you are in fact self-reverting your own edits. There is no bot called Bylot - that is your own unique username.

I notice you are using Twinkle. Try disabling this and having another go. I have heard about problems regarding the use of certain Wikimedia tools, and won't touch them myself. I suspect TW is the root cause. Best wishes and good luck with the article. Watch the peacock terms though. Ref ^(chew)(do) 08:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Further advice

Hi. I noticed you have a complete test article on your user page, which you have marked down as "Please do not edit". That's a red rag to a bull, and some bright vandal is going to start on it somewhen in the future I fear. Why not do what I did when constructing Oliver Golding? You are allowed to create user sub-pages for this purpose - mine was User:Refsworldlee/Oliver Golding. It's a redlink now because, when I had finished the article and put it into mainspace, I asked an admin for a deletion of that sub-page. This method of tinkering with possible, or infant, articles has the added advantage of not necessarily being known about, as long as you don't provide a link to it anywhere. Best wishes. Ref ^(chew)(do) 14:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Oops. You have created a mainspace page called Bylot/Bobby Driscoll. This will have to be deleted. You needed to create a page called something else. I suggest you do that, and I will tag the mistaken page for deletion by admin. User sub-pages are allowed but mainspace sub-pages are not. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 15:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello,

thanks a lot for your precious help. It's good to have someone to address possibly occuring problems or questions, and don't worry: I won't bother or even pester you. I'm writing this article on Bobby with help from an experienced co-writer from Minnesota (the one who wrote the biographic essay on www.bobbydriscoll.net) and who I asked to proofread my drafts and correct especially my punctuation, since I am German (I hope this doesn't mind.) But he's quite a poet and skilled in more narrative than in encyclopedic, so pure factual writing, - as I was, before I decided to risk this adventure, called: Wikipedia. That's why so many "peacocks" and "weasels" were/are (still) hidden in the text. And of course feel free to call my attention on such things. Best regards --Bylot (talk) 15:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem. It's not pestering. Anytime you want help, you just post to my talk page. Good luck with it. Ref ^(chew)(do) 15:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. I have been to Bobby Driscoll today to sort out formalities such as exactly where references should be placed, to find the correct article linking to avoid as many redlinks as possible, and to correct minor spelling and grammar. I think the article is definitely B-Class now, but we are not allowed to assess higher than that. You now need to take this article to Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/A-class review if you want a higher rating. However, I think it is not yet there - I have tweaked many things today, but not up to A-Class standard. Your other option is to seek a peer review, where your article will be discussed, and the necessary improvements identified. Unfortunately, I don't contribute to these reviews, but good luck with it. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

re: Bobby Driscoll

No problem, I'm glad I could help with such an important article. I remember Driscoll from old films on the Disney Channel when I was a kid, but I had no idea he led such a tragic life after his career dwindled. What a shame. Poets make for great encyclopedic articles but unfortunately they don't write the most encyclopedic of articles... if that makes sense. :) If you're in need of a copy-edit from a native English speaker who, unlike your undeniably well-meaning friend, are familiar with writing in an encyclopedic tone, there's a list of users that may be able to help at Wikipedia:Peer review/volunteers. If you have any specific questions, however, feel free to ask me. I don't speak German but I'm a fan of your polar bears. :) María (habla conmigo) 20:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Oliver -- it depends on how long you feel you need. Articles typically sit at WP:GAC for approximately a month until someone decides to review them, but if you think you may need more time than that (or if you're afraid that someone may choose to review the article sooner rather than later, which could be the case), it may be easier for you to simply withdraw the nomination until it's ready for a proper review. If not, you could always leave a message on the talk page for potential reviewers telling them to hold off until you're ready. The nomination cannot be put "on hold" until it's had a proper review, however. I hope this helps. María (habla conmigo) 12:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Yay Knut! :) It sounds like you're on the right track, especially in regards to completing the biography itself. I'll be interested to see what is added. If you need help with formatting the refs, etc, I'm more than willing to help; it takes time to get used to something so seemingly tedious, and the only way I was able to learn the correct way to write them was through example. When in doubt, consult the Manual of Style! Take care, María (habla conmigo) 12:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Just took a look at your sandbox. I's a good start, but a lot of the citations have yet to be completed. If you look at refs 1-20, they aren't using any citation template and are not formatted properly. You don't have to use the template, as I said on the talk page, but they do have to be formatted correctly and include pertinent information. The citations that are using the templates are missing accessdates, as well. You'll get the hang of it in time! María (habla conmigo) 12:13, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I completely know where you're coming from in regards to fair use images, but I'm afraid I can't be of much help. In my humble opinion, there are those who are far too copyright paranoid and who are always against fair use images. I believe that images, whether free or fair use, improve the encyclopedia as long as they are correctly tagged and include proper rationales. I've had a few images deleted because they apparently violated image policy; someone even deleted the Flocke image I uploaded before there were any free ones available! :( So, admittedly, I'm not the best person to ask on the subject. You could try to cut down the number of images included in the article, leaving only a few that are truly essential. You may also find the free image dispatch from last month interesting; it explains some of the more "quirky" reasons for why people dislike fair use images so much. If you have additional questions, you could always contact author of said dispatch, Elcobbola, who is somewhat of an expert on image use. He/she reviews most image issues at FAC and is quite nice about explaining things. I apologize for not being much help as far as images go, but what you've done so far in your sandbox looks good! I'm looking forward to reading the future additions. María (habla conmigo) 01:01, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Bobby Driscoll citation style

Hi. I see you work on the Bobby Driscoll article quite a bit so perhaps you'll know how best to remedy this problem. I recently tagged the article because of its inconsistent citation style. I see you recently removed the tag, but didn't fix the citation style problem. The reason I tagged the article is because the "Further reading/reference" section has page numbers which I assume reference some of the content in the article. For verification purpose, those references need to be moved to the article body to indicate what they reference so the "Further reading" section can list other books or materials that cover the subject at length. For example, the "Further reading" section in the Driscoll article should look similar to the one on the Lucille Ball article. Any book or reference used in the article itself needn't be repeated there per WP:FURTHER. If possible, could you let me know what page numbers reference what or move that info into the article body so that section can be cleaned up (I would do it myself but as I said, I don't know what the page numbers are in reference to)? If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me on my talk page. Pinkadelica ^{Say it...} 05:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello,

I reduced the citations down to the excat pages, which I used/cited.

I hope it's o.k. now.

For the case, if not - here again are the pages, used:

on TREASURE ISLAND, 1950

from the Byron Haskin biographic interview

... during production it was discovered ... (the whole paragraph)

pages 174-75

... there was an agreement among major producers ...

page 168

(and just one line below)

[...] I want Tom Sawyer, not Treasure Island.

page 168

on WHEN I GROW UP, 1951

from the Sam Spiegel biography

pages 119-120

on THE HAPPY TIME, 1952

from the Richard Fleischer biography

pages 80-83

on PETER PAN, 1953

from the Hans Conried biography

page78-79

Regards --Bylot (talk) 19:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. My German is very, very bad so using English is probably best. In regards to the reference/Further reading section, I see you made some changes, but I'm not quite sure you're understanding the style that section needs to be in. If the books listed in the now titled "Literal reference" section are already used as citations, they don't need to be listed twice. The citation is enough. For example, the books Just Tell Me When to Cry and the Hans Conried biography are already used as references so they don't need to be listed. Just to give you an idea of how the section should look, I've made a mock up below. If you've no objects to it, I'll add this version to the article so it's up to Wikipedia standards.

==Further reading==

• The Disney Films by Leonard Maltin (1973)
• The Real Walt Disney - A Biography by Leonard Mosley (1986) ISBN 0-246-12439-3
• Memo from Darryl F. Zanuck: The Golden Years at Twentieth Century-Fox by Darryl Francis Zanuck and Rudy Behlmer (1995) ISBN 0-802-13332-0

Let me know what you think. Pinkadelica ^{Say it...} 00:15, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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Bobby Driscoll

I hardly know where to begin in responding to your comments, because they seem to reflect a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia's purpose is. This statement in particular gets to the core of the problem: "Many people out there, still (and again) interested in Bobby, want to read his true story and not just an encyclopedic entry on him!" I'm sure that's true, but this is an encyclopedia article about him. It is not an article about the various movies he's made or about what else was going on at the Walt Disney company at the time. It is an encyclopedia article about Bobby Driscoll. That's all. Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy requires that any commentary about the subject be left out. Possibly some of the information about the movies would be appropriate in the articles about them, but not in this article. Obviously you've put a lot of work into it, and I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but by trying to write a dramatic tribute to him, you've been working on something that doesn't belong on Wikipedia. The good news is that Wikipedia is openly licensed, so if you want to go back in the history to an earlier version and use that as the basis for an article in which you can say whatever you want, all you have to do is abide by the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike license, and you can use the whole thing, including the parts that others wrote. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 11:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Looking at your user page, I see that you already have a web site about Driscoll, which apparently is where most of the reference material you cited is located. That's a much more appropriate place to put an in-depth behind-the-scenes biography/tribute than in an encyclopedia whose first rule is objectivity. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 13:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Hi - thanks a lot for the info. I just added a general fair-use-tag, hoping it's correct, now. If not, please let me know. I will then contact the site you suggested. regards--Bylot (talk) 11:43, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

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O.k. - Done. I hope it's correct now. regards --Bylot (talk) 07:02, 19 January 2012 (UTC)