Talk:Quran

Plain-Text Version?

This article provides links to several excellent looking online projects which have the full text of the Quran, with a variety of commentary and analysis. It is surprising (to me, anyway) that there are no links to full text versions of the Quran (either in English or Arabic), by which I mean a PDF, Word document, or just plain (UTF-8) text. Does anyone know of any available on line? If so, it would be good to add links to them.81.157.195.180 (talk) 13:42, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

The title of this article

Is the correct spelling (in English) not Koran. This article was once, Koran, the Qur'an and now Quran. From my research, admittedly imperfect, Koran is correct. The other spellings represent attempts by some to impose a so-called more 'Arabic' or 'Islamic' way of spelling it. Emmetfahy (talk) 13:42, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Both terms are equally correct, as far as I know. Technically, the correct name is only 'القرآن‎', but that cannot be perfectly rendered in English, so multiple transliterations will exist, as is common with Arabic. 64.180.40.75 (talk) 22:38, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Oxford, Merriam-Webster, and American Heritage all give "Koran". AP style, used by most newspapers, is "Quran". The most widely used translation is titled, The Noble Qurʼan. Kauffner (talk) 05:52, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

The entire argument is silly. We are not the Arabic Wikipedia, or the Romanised Arabic Wikipedia, we are the English Wikipedia, and we use English words here. No need to approximate any foreign spellings or transliterations here. The articles Caliph, Vizier, Fakir and Harem are not titled al-Khalifah, al-Wazir, al-Faqir or Haram. (Note the Anglicised pronunciation of all these words.) Similarly, Koran has been the long-standing English word for the holy book of Islam and should not be seen as an imperfect attempt to transcribe 'القرآن‎' – it is a loanword. Read Loanword. (Also read Exonym and endonym, which is basically about the same thing.) Koran, therefore, is not a "bad" spelling, any more than German "Streik" is a "bad" spelling for strike. It is Anglicised, and if anything, helps the lay reader (who will not know how to pronounce a [q] properly) to approximate the Arabic pronunciation better than Quran or Qur'an (both of which, by the way, omit the article and are thus technically incorrect as well) will ever be able to. Unfortunately, even many academics have a poor understanding of linguistics and insist on an allegedly more "correct" or "scholarly" spelling, although it is of little use, especially in material addressed to the general public, i. e., a lay audience. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 20:16, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

As much as what you said bordered on racist, I agree. Koran is the easiest way to say the name for those who aren't able to pronounce it. Maz640-Wikipedian Extraordinaire (talk) 19:44, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 18 October 2011

I have a question, if you learn quran, do you be a terrorist such as Osama bin-Laden. 184.145.12.210 (talk) 23:30, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

 Not done -- You are answering a nonsense question. You have a lack of understanding here. --Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 23:31, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I think you mean asking, and can we remove this or something? Maz640-Wikipedian Extraordinaire (talk) 19:40, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Bold text BASIC CONCEPTS Of QURAN------------------

1.TUHID{ ONENESS OF ALLAH i.e GOD ALMIGHTY 2.CREATION from NOTHINGNESS i.AL-NOOR.II. ZULUMAT{BLACK HOLES} iii. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aslammaslamraj (talk • contribs) 16:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Request for addition of detail of basic concepts, such as, Creation,Tuhid of.God

Bold text SUB: Wikipedia article "Qur,an" Ref.Introduction The Quran (English pronunciation: /kɒˈrɑːn/ kor-ahn; Arabic: القرآن‎ al-qurʾān, IPA: [qurˈʔaːn],[variations] literally meaning "the recitation"), also transliterated Qur'an, Koran, Alcoran, Qur’ān, Coran, Kuran, and al-Qur’ān, is the central religious text of Islam, which Muslims consider the verbatim word of God[1] (Arabic: الله‎, Allah). It is regarded widely as the finest piece of literature in the Arabic language.[2][3][4][5][6] The Quran is divided into 114 suras of unequal length which are classified either as Meccan or Medinan depending upon their place and time of revelation.[7] { please complete it by adding the following facts] 86 Chapters[surahs]were read to prophet in Meccanian period[13 years] 28 Chapters were read to prophet in Madiniana period[10 years] i.Meccanian chapters teach Creation of All Universe.Solar system Earth,Fertility of Earth. Skies or Atmosphere.etc ii.History of creation of Adam and Eve in full detail. History of all ancient nations and prophets,Creation procedure of humans on earth Long struggle against pagan leaders of Quraish Biography of prophet Muhammad[peace be upon him]Prophet could not read or write. God taught him and He inscribed all of Quran by his hand. and after his death his successor Abubaker inherited his book called Quran.----aslam maslam raj — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aslammaslamraj (talk • contribs) 16:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable secondary source instead of original research. We need have additional published works attesting to this information to add it. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

verse-2-114 & 2-115.correct translation& asbab-e. nazul according to Quran

Bold text "The Qur'an possesses an external appearance and a hidden depth, an exoteric meaning and an esoteric meaning. This esoteric meaning in turn conceals an esoteric meaning (this depth possesses a depth, after the image of the celestial Spheres, which are enclosed within each other). So it goes on for seven esoteric meanings (seven depths of hidden depth)."[83]

These two verses are relevant to one another.Prophet Muhammad[p.b.u.h] had left Mecca and reached in Valley of QUBA . a place near Medina and all the Muslims who had migrated were residing there.prophet wanted to start Salat to offer prayers to God, but he was not sure to which side he must keep his face. so to guide him .God said by first verse[114] Such wrong doers are Human being that they try to ruin the two Holiest Temples of God. and they do not fear God Almighty and do not pray. [ these are ; one is in Mecca and other is in Jerusalem ] 115. Unto Allah belong that one which is East and the other in west but now you turn your face toward that one which is very faraway. [Fathamma]There is Allah's countenance Allah is pleased with it. Allah is all embracing ,All knowing Asbab-e. nazul from Tafsir Jalallian[Al-Suyuti]page: 7[115] So there should not be any controversy And note that it was Qibla only for short time.After 18 verses Qibla was Ordered to be old one[ Bait-Ullah of Mecca]----aslam maslamraj — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aslammaslamraj (talk • contribs) 16:04, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable secondary source instead of original research. We need have additional published works attesting to this information to add it. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:13, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

WARNING= Quran's MASSIVELY FALSIFIED INFORMATION on wikipedia articles need CORRECTIONS to every part and line: wikipedia' s Quran entries is totally unqualified for inclusion

svp REVIEW ALL ARTICLES ON ISLAM,QURAN,RELIGIONS,GOD, Etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.213.57.190 (talk) 09:58, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Can you give some specific examples of what you believe are problems? And maybe turn quit SHOUTING (typing in all caps is like shouting on the internet). Ian.thomson (talk) 18:14, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Most likely either an extreme muslim zealot who thinks this article isn't islamic enough, or an extreme Anti-Islamist who thinks this article isn't harshly critical enough. 64.180.40.75 (talk) 23:01, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Section 5.2 Ta'wil certain bias.

In this section it states

ta'wil indicates the particular meaning a verse is directed towards. The meaning of revelation (tanzil), as opposed to ta'wil, is clear in its accordance to the obvious meaning of the words as they were revealed. But this explanation has become so widespread that, at present, it has become the primary meaning of ta'wil, which originally meant "to return" or "the returning place". In Tabatabaei's view, what has been rightly called ta'wil, or hermeneutic interpretation of the Quran, is not concerned simply with the denotation of words.

(I would like to state this alone has a certain bias. However regardless of that, this entire section reads poorly and is very hard to understand. I had a mixture of students from my university try and read this paragraph and none of them understood at all what was trying to be communicated. So there are two things that need to be done, Make this understandable by the layman, and to remove such bias. I hope this proves to be constructive criticism of this article.)