Talk:Batman

No Need

I see there to be no need for the homosexual section. It is citing a minor viewpoint and uses outdated references.--Valkyrie Red (talk) 00:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

It's a genuine area of academic interest that forms a major part of the character's public perception. There isn't a need insofar as you believe that to be true, but you're wrong, so there's really not a case to be argued there.Zythe (talk) 11:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I'm grossly mistaken, but didn't the perception of Batman being possibly homosexual play some part in the Comics Code Authority being created? Again, this is what I'm led to believe, but if true, that alone makes the homosexuality aspect of the article relevant and necessary. Regardless of my possible misunderstanding of this, it is also something that is addressed in culture, so to ignore it would be inappropriate and unfair to readers, as it is an aspect that carries some weight. Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, and not liking it is no reason to remove it. Outside of censoring and not liking it, I can see no reason why it would be removed. - SudoGhost 11:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. It's a sourced viewpoint and one that has been important enough in comics history. Even if it were to fall under WP:FRINGE, which it doesn't, it's still brief enough that it does not constitute undue weight given to a minority view. GRAPPLE X 14:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

How can Batman be homosexual. if the character appears explicitly in relationships with women in comics? You can discuss at the most if he is bisexual.

--rafaelcastrocouto (talk) 18:34, 13 Jan 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.103.120.172 (talk)

There is an absolute need for a section on homosexual interpretations. As far as the character's sexuality, even if he himself is heterosexuals, Batman comics themselves can still be read as queer texts - ie of special relevance and interest to queer readers. Euchrid (talk) 00:42, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Batman Beyond

Even though Terry McGinnis is Batman Beyond or Batman of the future, shouldn't he be under "partnerships" that is under his picture of Batman at the top? Superman and Batgirl and Robin are all under there. I understand that Nightwing isn't under there because they were never directly partners, but I believe Terry McGinnis or Batman Beyond should be, despite how far away he is in the timeline since superman and batgirl were not partners at the same time either.

Batman story featuring Batboy?

This question is aimed at the wikipage on Batman.

I seem to recall that in the Batman comic series (some time probably during the 1960's) I recall Robin querying Batman about whether a suitable name for him would be "Batboy" rather than Robin. I think that this led to a (one off) story of Batman recounting that there had previously been a Batboy (who I think died). I wonder if any other readers or contributors could make a comment on this.

Jpmct (talk) 13:26, 13 August 2011 (UTC)Jpmct

Even if the issue in question could be tracked down, ff every piece of Silver Age ephemera was considered canon, the article would become unmanagably long.Euchrid (talk) 03:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

If it were to be added (and as Euchrid points out, that's not really that necessary), it probably would make more sense in the Robin (comics) or List of Batman supporting characters articles. GRAPPLE X 04:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Love interests

There should be an added subcategory about the various love interests whom Bruce Wayne/Batman had throughout the decades. Perhaps even a subcategory of some of the children he had as well.--Splashen (talk) 06:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Rocksteady games

How come no mentions of the Rocksteady games Arkham Asylum and Arkham City?

CrocodilesAreForWimps (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

The New 52

While reading I noticed this, " While many characters have their histories significantly altered to attract newer, younger readers, Batman's history remains mostly intact". While this is somewhat true I think it lacks information, alot of fans hate The New 52 because of the assumption that the comic franchise was created as a permanent change in the heroes lives. Batman may have a new comic going on right now, altered reality, but its a continuation of the Flashpoint series, and will ultimately end in 5-10 years depending on how the story goes, so Batman's reality will revert back to how it was pre- new 52, and I feel this should be re-written by someone who can talk better and added to the section about Batman in the new 52. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1AndOnlyTheGoob (talk • contribs) 09:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

"In 1989, the first issue of Legends of the Dark Knight, the first new solo Batman title in nearly fifty years, sold close to a million copies."

Should be moved and clarified: DKR is a solo title. --193.254.155.48 (talk) 14:06, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Please ADD Nationality

batman is AN AMERICAN Hero Please ADD It's Nationality — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saccyind (talk • contribs) 13:02, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

We do not generally assign nationalities to fictional characters, at least not in the lead sentences. It's not an intrinsic factor of describing who/what the topic is. The fact that Batman was created by American writers/artists and published by an American comic company does not mean we need to lead of with "Batman is an American hero". --IllaZilla (talk) 23:58, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Dates

In their adventures, what are the official dates of the Bruce Wayne's birth (day, number, year) and of the murder of his parents (day, number, year) ? IJKL (talk) 09:04, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Comics generally use a floating timeline, so key events don't have a fixed date that would stretch this out. I believe Thomas and Martha were killed at a time which has been specified, though, but it escapes me at the moment. GRAPPLE X 12:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Fans and fan sites tend to speculate on the dates, and those sources are not considered reliable for Wikipedia. That said, IIRC:

• DC at one point assigned Batman's birthday to Feb 29. This was never really a plot point though.
• Most mentions of Bruce's age, if it is mentioned at all, at the time his parents were killed has been 8. But a gain, no date is given and rarely if ever is a "XX years ago" reference used.
• The Earth-Two Batman is more likely to have a full date of birth, but only due to being "locked" into the WWII era.Again, the year would be down to fan speculation since ages at locked dates - eg the bombing of Pearl Harbor - never show up.

- J Greb (talk) 14:17, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Show Batman's Strength And Agility Level

I saw Batman in Batman Arkham City pull off a swell shutter with his hands. I saw Batman dodge a car in Batman Under The Red Hood. The comics must have the answers just like it was shown on Captain America's power level on Wikipedia's article. AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 02:31, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. The article mentions Batman's martial arts and physical expertise constantly. Are you asking why he seems to be faster etc in some mediums than in others? The answer to that is that different creators interpret the character differently, and different mediums have different requirements. Euchrid (talk) 08:06, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Example, on Captain America's article it says he can lift up 1,200 pounds and run 60 MPH so what is Batman's level? AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 00:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

As I said, every version depicts it differently. Movies, video games, animation, comics, TV shows...they have all shown different levels of strength, agility, etc. I doubt that any of these sources have ever attempted to give a specific figure for any of these attributes, and if so, DC reboots so regularly that they would be non canon almost immediately.Euchrid (talk) 03:15, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Had a look at Captain America's article, and that information is sourced to a recent reliable source. If you can find one that gives similar information about Batman then that's all well and good, but just because one article does something doesn't automatically mean this one should too. GRAPPLE X 03:29, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

That's a good point. That sort of material could be added so long as it was made clear which version of the character it referred to.Euchrid (talk) 03:40, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, it would read better in terms of tone and usefulness to the layman if it didn't—a 1940s breakdown of Batman's physical abilities should be referred to as being from that time, not as referring to Earth-Two Batman, for example. But as long as any singular depiction like that is attributed to its specific source and not expected to count as a sweeping generalisation of the character's entire history, then by all means it should be included. GRAPPLE X 03:44, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, absolutely. I was thinking of character version in terms of 'In the Arkham City video game...' rather than 'the Post-Crisis, pre-Zero Hour Earth One Batman' or other fan-specific terminology.Euchrid (talk) 03:47, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

A few things guys:

• The source used with Captain America is comic published by Marvel. That isn't a reliable source, it's a primary source. Reliable in this case would be a secondary source published by a third party.
• Quantifying abilities or powers - can lift X lbs, run at Y m/sec, etc - means very, very little when dealing with these characters. Batman is as strong, fast, nimble, stealthy, etc as the writers need him to be for the purposes of their stories and still be Batman. Going to a guide published by DC, or a specific story published by DC, or game collateral they licensed is only valid as the later stories or uses of the character that contradict it.
• These are articles aimed at a general audience, not at the fans or the gamers. It is better to give the basics rather than cram in all the various stats, numbers, minutia, etc. He is a peak, all around athlete trained to "elite" levels. Easy enough. He has mastered many skills, among them are <fill in a reasonable length set of examples> and numerous forms of martial arts. Also easy enough.
• Going into detail on one specific version of the character - say the one used in the Arkham video games - skews the article even if that information can be sourced.

- J Greb (talk) 07:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

In all versions, it shows that Batman trains in his bat cave so there has to be training level to that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnthonyTheGamer (talk • contribs) 14:40, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, "peak athlete" and "'elite' levels" are levels of training. The latter is a nice catch phrase for someone who could compete in international sporting events, which IIRC the comics have spelled at at times without internal contradiction. The pinning down of the character's limits to hard numbers is not needed.

- J Greb (talk) 14:56, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

AnthonyTheGamer, if you can find specific information that you want added, please suggest it here. If you're asking other people to do your research for you, that's not how Wikipedia works. Euchrid (talk) 01:33, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Well J Greb, two of Batman's signature interrogation taunts is to hold a man by his leg over a building and hold a man by his neck in the air. They were both shown in the comics, television and video games. The men have to weigh over 100lbs. Superman's strength level is measured on the Wikipedia's article technically from DC comics; fact. To Euchrid, what is the point of Wikipedia then if people do not do the research for you?

AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 23:17, 12 April 2012 (UTC)