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Objective analysis of clashes and co-operation between the Romani minority and non-Romani populations of each country with a significant number of Romanies.Lothandar (talk) 20:14, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
add Romania - Facts by Country - EURoma for a Romanian reference of "regions with significant population" in the table, by someone who have editorial rights.
Gypsies have claimed to be from every place on earth. It's stupid to state a place of origin without hard evidence.
You would know something about stupid. Do you normally attack WP editors who write in good faith? Oh, here's an idea! You might try to get a clue yourself! :) For example, why don't you consider correcting the section yourself? That would work.--174.106.79.0 (talk) 17:59, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A credible letter revealed that Chaplin was born in a Black Patch Park (England) Gypsy caravan. That's plenty enough to qualify as Romani. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Engines On (talk • contribs) 23:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In those days "Gypsy" caravans were used by itinerant merchants, artisans and entertainers of all sorts, being born in a caravan is not by itself proof of ethnicity Mediatech492 (talk) 17:24, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Chaplin is not a "Roma personality." His maternal grandmother was half-Gypsy, and that is very relevant. Were the ethnicities of all great-grandparents to matter, and as such the half-something-or-anothers of all grandparents, a lot of people would be under a lot of ethnicities that they do not identify or are identified with.
Note his own words in My Autobiography:
Grandma was half gypsy [Roma]. This fact was the skeleton in our family cupboard. Nevertheless, Grandma bragged that her family always paid ground rent. Her maiden name was Smith. I remember her as a bright little old lady who always greeted me effusively with baby talk. She died before I was six. She was separated from Grandpa, for what reason neither grandparent would tell. But according to Aunt Kate there was a domestic triangle in which Grandpa surprised Grandma with a lover.
Also, having Azis as one of the great Roma personalities is not such a great idea; he is not particularly notable.
She was not half "Roma" as she was half Romanichal. I am Romanichal and we have never called ourselves as Roma. Roma is just one branch of Romani (Rromane). Tsigano (talk) 11:33, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have gone ahead and removed reference to both individuals as it created confusion due to the ambiguity between 6 people in the infobox1 image to the right and 8 people being listed in reference to it.
I'm really not happy with the idea of having either of those two in the infobox, because one was not Romani, and the other is not notable. Like I've said, if Chaplin was Romani, then Nicolas Sarkozy is Hungarian - the latter has more of a case. If you don't think someone with a Hungarian father is Hungarian, then let's not think that someone with a maternal grandmother that was half-Romani was Romani. Purpleturple (talk) 00:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1. Chaplin is of Gipsy heritage, he afirmed it and he was proud about it, that's important here. We don't don't categorize people in ethnic groups by counting the percentage of their "blood".
2. Azis is very popular in the Balkan Peninsula and the music made by him is representative for the Balkan Roma music. --Olahus (talk) 20:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1. Yes we do. That's why Mexicans are Mestizo and not Spanish.
2. Sorry, Olahus. I think half of the "representative Romani" you've picked are very irrelevant - if you haven't noticed, other peoples of the world have scientists and writers - and I'm going to make a selection of RELEVANT Romani people, that excludes really rubbish singers and isn't demeaning towards my Romani friends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purpleturple (talk • contribs) 19:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I never heard an English(or American) people saying the word 'Romani'.Only the bulgarians say 'Romani',because they don't want to be racist.Someone should move this page from 'Romani people' to 'Gypsy people'!
NOT RACIST!
Just saying the truth!
User:Nikinikolananov
I am English and I am Romani. I have grown up with English people using the word Romani in reference to me.
When I say I am Romani, I never get anyone not knowing what I mean.
Romani has survived in English literature for years. Example being the famous and popular English writer George Burrow who I think first wrote it as Rommany (the word is correctly pronounced as "Rom-man-ee")
The first image on the page lists Charlie Chaplin as Romani. The actual Charlie Chaplin article states nothing about this, however, and as far as I was aware he was London born and bred. No? --Tomsega (talk) 19:02, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
According to The Gypsy Kings "Tierra Gitana" DVD, the group mention that Charlie Chaplin once said to them about him having Romani blood. It was either a grandparent or his grandparents that were Romani. I'll have to dig the DVD out and watch it again. Tsigano (talk) 10:02, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
At the time it was popular among entertainers, particularly those of the itinerant variety to claim to be "Gypsy" in order to give themselves more mystique. This was often done even in cases where the person had no actual ties to the Romani or other nomadic group.Mediatech492 (talk) 09:07, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
there is very little on Roma beliefs and mythology...
something like this shud be added:
Beliefs and Practices of the Roma
Many centuries in the past, the Roma were some of the last Goddess-worshipers in Europe. Their Goddess, Kali, was viewed as a trinity. Her symbol was a triangle. A male Horned God also played a prominent role. The similarities between ancient Roma belief and that of Wicca are obvious. These beliefs have long been abandoned by the Roma.
There is today no single Roma culture. Nor is there general agreement on who should qualify to be called a Roma. Romani groups around the world hold different traditions, customs and beliefs. Groups that have settled in one location generally adsorb some of the gajikané (non-Roma) local culture. Most Roma have converted the religions of their host countries, typically Christianity (Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Protestantism), and Islam. Their formal religious affiliation is often supplemented by Roma traditional beliefs:
the existence of Del (God)
the existence of beng (Satan)
the existence of bibaxt (bad luck) and of muló (supernatural spirits or ghosts).
the power of good luck charms, amulets and talismans
the power of curses
the power of healing rituals
Marimé is a state of impurity brought on a person by the violation of a purity taboo. It also means a "sentence of expulsion imposed for violation of purity rules or any behavior disruptive to the Roma community." Some Roma consider the part of a woman's body below the waist to be dirty or polluted, because it is associated with menstruation. 1 In many tribes, women wear long skirts, the bottoms of which must not touch a man other than her husband.
A pregnant woman is considered unclean. She must not give birth in the family home because it would then become impure. Sometimes knots are ritually untied as the birth approaches. This is believed to assure that the umbilical cord will not be tangled. After birth, anything that the new mother touches is later destroyed. This quarantine continues at least until the baptism of the baby.
Newborns are baptized, usually in running water, when they are a few weeks old. Often, the infant is massaged with oil; this is believed to make it strong.
A Roma typically has three names. The first is known only by the mother; it is given at the time of birth. Its purpose is to confuse evil spirits by keeping the real name of the child from them. The second name is conferred at the time of baptism, and is the commonly used name within the tribe. A third, different name may be given when the child is re-baptized in a Christian church. It has little importance, except when dealing with non-Roma.
In the past, people were typically married between the ages of 9 to 14. This tradition has changed in many tribes due to the influence of the surrounding culture. Pre-marital sex is very strongly forbidden. Marriages to outsiders are heavily discouraged. The wedding ceremony is usually simple. In some tribes, the bride and groom join hands in front of the chief or an elder and promise to be true to each other. In ancient times, they used be married by jumping over a broomstick in the presence of their families.
When a person dies, relatives and friends gather around and ask for forgiveness for any bad deeds that they have done to that person. They are concerned that if such grievances are not settled, then the dead person might come back as an evil spirit and cause trouble. In the past, the widow might commit suicide when her husband died so that she could accompany him during the afterlife. Sometimes, the deceased's nostrils are plugged with wax so that evil spirits cannot enter and occupy the body. Clothing, tools, eating utensils, jewelry, and money may be placed in the coffin in order to help the deceased in the next world. The deceased's possessions are burned, broken or sold to non-Roma.
They believe that a person can be reincarnated as another human or animal. Alternatively, they might appear as a muló or "living dead", seeking revenge on anyone who harmed him during his life on earth.
Many Roma rules of behavior relate to the use of water. They normally wash in running water, as in a shower. Baths are not used. Women's and men's clothes are washed separately, because of the impurities of a woman's body. Clothes of a pregnant or menstruating woman are washed furthest downstream from the camp, to avoid contamination.
Women must not expose their legs. They wear long, multi-colored skirts.
Out of respect for the importance of the horse in assuring Roma mobility, the eating of horse meat is prohibited in some tribes.
Many Roma women, called drabardi practice fortune telling. But fortunes are only read for non-Romas.
Other women are are called drabarni or drabengi and practice natural healing techniques.
Einsatzgruppen is better translated to 'task forces,' or 'deployment forces.' 'Mobile Killing Units,' doesn't sound professional and although militaries often serve that function, the term could technically be used to describe any combat military contingent. For that reason it should be replaced with one of the aforementioned terms which better describes it.
