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{editsemiprotected} Change "On 16 April 2010 Martin Broughton was appointed Chairman of the Club in order to oversee the sale of the club by the owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett.[75] In May, accounts were released showing the club to be £350 million in debt with losses of £55m, causing auditor KPMG to qualify its audit opinion.[76] The club's creditors, including Royal Bank of Scotland, took Gillet and Hicks to court to allow for the resale of the club. A Liverpool High Court[clarification needed] Judge, Justice Floyd, eventually ruled in favour of the creditors and paved the way for a sale of the club to New England Sports Ventures, although Gillet and Hicks still had the option to appeal the verdict.[77] However Gillet and Hicks got an 11th hour reprieve from a Texas district court just before the interim bank-appointed board were about to consider the $477.2 million sale. The Texas court issues a restraining order after the the two owners said the board were responsible for an "epic swindle" by selling the club for less than its supposed value. The club then issued a statement saying: "The independent directors consider the restraining order to be unwarranted and damaging and will move as swiftly as possible to seek to have it removed." The Financial Times said the board may ask a British court to decide whether the Texas court had jurisdiction in the case. Pending the decision, however, Liverpool's debt is due on 15 October 2010; if not paid in time it is possible that the club go into administration and consequently be docked 9 points by the league.[78] Another bid was also received by the club from Singaporean Peter Lim, who increased his initial offer[clarification needed] to $507 million.[79]" to

"On 16 April 2010 Martin Broughton was appointed Chairman of the Club in order to oversee the sale of the club by the owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett.[75] In May, accounts were released showing the club to be £350 million in debt with losses of £55m, causing auditor KPMG to qualify its audit opinion.[76] The club's creditors, including Royal Bank of Scotland, took Gillet and Hicks to court to allow for the resale of the club. A High Court Judge at the Court of Appeal (The Old Bailey, London), Mr. Justice Floyd, eventually ruled in favour of the creditors and paved the way for a sale of the club to New England Sports Ventures, although Gillet and Hicks still had the option to appeal the verdict . However Gillet and Hicks got an 11th hour reprieve from a Texas district court just before the interim bank-appointed board were about to consider the $477.2 million sale. The Texas court issues a restraining order after the the two owners said the board were responsible for an "epic swindle" by selling the club for less than its supposed value. The club then issued a statement saying: "The independent directors consider the restraining order to be unwarranted and damaging and will move as swiftly as possible to seek to have it removed." The Financial Times said the board may ask a British court to decide whether the Texas court had jurisdiction in the case. Pending the decision, however, Liverpool's debt is due on 15 October 2010; if not paid in time it is possible that the club go into administration and consequently be docked 9 points by the league.[78] On the 14 October 2010, Mr. Justice Floyd again ruled in fravour of Liverpool FC and declaering Hicks and Gillett's petition as "unconscionable".. He (Mr. Justice Floyd) also set a deadline of 1600 GMT for Hicks and Gillett to withdrew thier petition to the US courts or be found in contemp of the British Courts. Another bid was also received by the club from Singaporean Peter Lim, offer of £320 million. However, this was later withdrew, Lim stated: "The [Liverpool] board is intent on selling the club to NESV to the exclu>sion of all other parties, regardless of the merits of their bids."

Edit request on 30 June 2012

"The current kits are designed by Adidas,[40]" - **The current kits are designed by Warrior who over took recent designers Adidas after 12 years.

JiMJiMMyLaa (talk) 11:14, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:19, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Reuse the references noted on the Warrior Sports wikipedia page. Changes are valid. Jamie (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 September 2012

I work for Liverpool FC's Press Office and have been contacted by Noel White regarding an edit to the Ownership and Finances section:

Afer the following on the current Liverpool FC page: As the owner of Anfield and founder of Liverpool, John Houlding was the club's first chairman, a position he held from its founding in 1892 until 1904. John McKenna took over as chairman after Houlding's departure.[79] McKenna subsequently became President of the Football League.[80] The chairmanship changed hands many times before John Smith, whose father was a shareholder of the club, took up the role in 1973. He oversaw the most successful period in Liverpool's history before stepping down in 1990.

Please add: His successor was Noel White who had joined the board four years earlier. During his Chairmanship he was one of the five founding architects of the F.A. Premier League. Following a Share Rights Issue in August 1991 David Moores, whose family had owned the Club for more than 50 years became Chairman.

Sastall (talk) 08:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:13, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

This has been mentioned before and unless a reliable source is provided that explicitly states what you claim then it will be not added. NapHit (talk) 11:34, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

The above suggested paragraph on Noel White is consistent with his own page on Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_White Do you need another source on top of this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sastall (talk • contribs) 12:57, 4 September 2012 (UTC) Sastall (talk) 13:02, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

That is not referenced it could have been added by anyone. Wikipedia is not a soapbox so I'm not entirely comfortable with Mr White constantly asserting that he be included in the article for the only reason of trumpeting his own horn. NapHit (talk) 13:10, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

It could've been added by anyone, but it's worth noting that in this case, that particular language was inserted by Brianflynn (talk · contribs), who made a nearly identical edit request on this talk page. Since I can't find the "five founding architects" language anywhere other than Wikipedia and its mirrors, it should be removed from the Noel White article. --Mosmof (talk) 17:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Rather than going back and to on this talk page can you please provide contact details (mobile/telephone) so we can discuss this better. Considering you are being asked by Liverpool FC's Press Office I would have expected to see the changes made - coming from a representative of the club that this page is about should be good enough. You have clearly been contacted about this in the past so it should come as no surprise that we'd like the change made. Sastall (talk) 13:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I'd think that someone who works in the LFC press office would have the adequate resources to dig up third party sources which we can verify this information with. Please remember that two of Wikipedia's most important and fundamental policies are WP:V and WP:NPOV - it's problematic when you say, "I am from this organisation. Make this change because I said so", which is essentially what you're doing here. Mosmof (talk) 13:28, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from and the parameters you have to work within. We will seek to provide reliable sources in order to make the changes. I have had no prior experience of attempting to edit Wikipedia so I appreciate your time and feedback.

Sastall (talk) 13:33, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Can you assist on one last matter? From your point of view, what constitutes a third party source? Do you mean written testimony from then Premier League CEO Rick Parry for example or press/documented articles from the time? I don't want to waste any time finding third party sources if you don't deem them adequate.

Sastall (talk) 13:39, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Press articles would be fine. WP:V and WP:RS are probably good places to start if you need more help. What we need though, are sources where we can verify your specific claims, not just ones that simply mention White's chairmanship.--Mosmof (talk) 13:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Sastall - please read WP:RS, WP:V and WP:COI to get an idea of how we operate. Do you have links to newspaper articles? GiantSnowman 15:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

White was only chairman for a matter of months, so the proposed change over-eggs it somewhat. A great many people have been part of the history of Liverpool Football Club; this article cannot mention them all and sometimes editorial judgement has to be exercised. But the existing text does have an issue - it implies Moores was the chairman directly after Smith when he was not. Perhaps simply changing it to something along the lines of "The following year David Moores, whose family had owned the club for more than 50 years, became chairman." would do the job. Oldelpaso (talk) 17:46, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Bias

Nothing against everyone's hard work, but if you look at the article, it does seem slanted.... is there any general ideas someone has to fix this?