Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 October 9
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October 9
NEW NOMINATIONS
Lists of office-holders by country
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of English office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in England
- Category:Lists of Ancient Rome office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in Ancient Rome
- Category:Lists of Australian office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in Australia
- Category:Lists of Canadian office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in Canada
- Category:Lists of Chinese office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in China
- Category:Lists of German office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in Germany
- Category:Lists of Latvian office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in Latvia
- Category:Lists of New Zealand office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in New Zealand
- Category:Lists of Polish office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in Poland - over redirect
- Category:Lists of Scottish office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in Scotland - over redirect
- Category:Lists of United Kingdom office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in the United Kingdom
- Category:Lists of United States office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in the United States
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of English office-holders to Category:Lists of office-holders in England
- Nominator's rationale: These categories are of lists of office-holders by the country of the office and not, as the current names might suggest, lists of office-holders by nationality. The proposed naming format is the one that is used in Category:Lists of political office-holders by country. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:54, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Electric energy
- Propose upmerging or deleting
- Category:Electric energy consumption to Category:Electric power
- Category:Electric energy by country to Category:Electric power
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary categories created by a banned user. Most of the contents are lists so should also be in Category:Energy-related lists Hugo999 (talk) 22:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Category:Farm to Market Roads with dead ends
- Propose deleting Category:Farm to Market Roads with dead ends
- Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization, unnecessary to have category for roads with dead ends. Dough4872 22:05, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Category:Roque
- Propose merging Category:Roque to Category:Croquet
- Propose merging: Category:1904 in roque to Category:1904 in croquet
- Propose merging: Category:Roque competitions by country to Category:Croquet competitions by country
- Propose merging: Category:Roque in the United States to Category:Croquet in the United States
- Propose renaming Category:Roque competitions in the United States to Category:Croquet competitions in the United States
- Propose deleting: Category:Roque by year
- Propose deleting: Category:Roque by country
- Propose deleting: Category:Roque competitions
- Propose deleting: Category:Roque at the 1904 Summer Olympics
- Nominator's rationale: Merge. WP:SMALLCAT; this structure holds only 2 articles. The page Roque at the 1904 Summer Olympics is already in all other necessary categories. – Fayenatic London 12:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Roque, but Merge the rest to Category:Roque. The game of Roque appears to have had a period of popularity in the early 20th-century, so there is scope for expansion, which means that WP:SMALLCAT does not apply.
However, the current proliferation of sub-categories is absurd when there are only 2 articles. Thanks to the nom for bringing this to CFD. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:30, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:10, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Roque and upmerge to it; and merge to the suggested targets (except for Roque) ; this would place year/place articles into the Croquet category tree, while having a roque head category with no subdivisions. -- 70.50.149.56 (talk) 23:47, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Category:History of Venice after 1797
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. Generally we avoid dates in categories for before or after topics. In this case, this appears to be about the history of Venice after the Republic of Venice ceased to exist. While there may be a better name, this is a starting point for discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Category:French engineers by Grande école
- Propose renaming Category:French engineers by Grande école to Category:Grande école alumni
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category is apparently supposed to group categories for alumni of several "grandes écoles". However, the current name suggests that all these alumni are French. Most of them obviously will be, but not all. Note that the daughter cats don't contain the word "French". Renaming the cat to "Grande école alumni" will bring the name more in line with out other alumni categories and remove any ambiguity. Guillaume2303 (talk) 16:57, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Rename per nominator. This is purely a container category, so I have tagged with {{container category}}. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:04, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Leave it as it is This category is a subcategory of the Category:French engineers ; French engineers are sorted according to the school they did. HEC alumni or ENA alumni are "Grande école alumni" but they are NO engineers ! On the other hand, all alumni of French engineering schools who have their page in Wikipedia are French !! I challenge Guillaume2303 to show me one NON French person who :
- is an alumnus of one French Top engineering school
- has their page on Wikipedia.
One question to Guillaume2303 : why doesn't he try to sort Dutch neuroscientists instead of insisting on sorting out French engineers ? Euroflux (talk) 18:52, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Please stay with the subject. Dutch neuroscientists have nothing to do with the category under discussion. You should know by now that you should comment on the subject, not the person. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 19:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- OK, let's stick to the subject ; are you able to mention ONE NON French alumnus of a French engineering Grande école who has their page on Wikipedia ?? I have not seen one of them... Euroflux (talk) 19:38, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Your question is absolutely irrelevant. The grandes écoles don't limit attendance to French citizens only. Hence it's incorrect to name a container category the way you did, because the defining characteristic is not that the articles contained in these categories are about French people, but that they are about alumni of the grandes écoles. The fact that at this point (I haven't checked, I take your word for it) all alumni that are in WP are, indeed, French, is just a coincidence. Suppose all of them are male, would you then include the word "male" in the title of this category? Of course not. --Guillaume2303 (talk) 20:03, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- OK, let's stick to the subject ; are you able to mention ONE NON French alumnus of a French engineering Grande école who has their page on Wikipedia ?? I have not seen one of them... Euroflux (talk) 19:38, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Category: Fictional popes
- Delete Category:Fictional popes. Patent nonsense. Found this category going through the 'Popes' category. Benkenobi18 (talk) 12:50, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Delete or at least remove articles vaguely related to fictional popes. Oculi (talk) 13:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Comment - In the midst of ten miscategorized articles (which I will remove now) about works of fiction, as well as two articles about legends (Jewish pope Andreas, Pope Joan), the category contains four articles about fictional popes: Giggerota, Cardinal Lamberto, Peter Mathews (Left Behind) and Pope Urban X. None of them is of particularly good quality, so I will see if they could be merged to various lists of characters. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- I merged Peter Mathews (Left Behind) to a list of characters, but several articles (and a handful of redirects) remain in the category. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:40, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Category:2010s Japanese animated television series
- Propose merging Category:2010s Japanese animated television series to Category:2010s anime series
- Nominator's rationale: These two categories are the same, however, Category:2010s anime series keeps the naming convention of parent category Category:2010s anime. Anime is the common term for Japanese animation and is in wide use (go into any FYE or other video store). —Farix (t | c) 11:49, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Category:Shopping venues in Lebanon
- Propose deleting Category:Shopping venues in Lebanon - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: There is neither an established tree of Category:Shopping venues nor, for that matter, a clear definition of "shopping venue" that differentiates it from any other type of retail building. I moved a number of articles to Category:Shopping districts and streets in Lebanon, leaving just three misplaced articles about retail companies. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:59, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Support. We also do not classify businesses by every place that they operate in which appears to be the inclusion criteria for 2 of the three articles. Category:Retail buildings seems like the best tree match for what might be intended here or maybe Category:Companies of Lebanon. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:26, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
More Chinese sports categories
- Propose upmerging
- Propose renaming
- Category:Horse races in the People's Republic of China to Category:Horse races in China
- Category:Athletics venues in People's Republic of China to Category: Athletics venues in China
- Category:People's Republic of China sport stubs to Category:China sport stubs
- Category:Chinese sportspeople stubs (?); subcategories are PRC….
- Re Category:National Games of the People's Republic of China and subcategories; possibly leave as the category follows the article titles?
- Nominator's rationale:: additional PRC categories to rename or upmerge. Hugo999 (talk) 03:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Horse racing, Swimming in China
- Propose renaming
- Category:Horse racing in the People's Republic of China to Category:Horse racing in China
- Category:Swimming in the People's Republic of China to Category:Swimming in China
- Propose upmerginging
- Nominator's rationale: Most of the subcategories of Category:Sport in China by sport are just “… in China” already.