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October 16

File:TheStarGame.png (delete | talk | history | logs).
  • Hi, this game is all my own work (published as Mequa Innovations), and the star textures from NASA which are used are in the public domain. I wished to release this screenshot under the license specified. Mequa (talk) 17:54, 8 October 2012 (GMT+1)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Relisting comment: Mequa: Would you please submit your permission to OTRS? See Wikipedia:Permission#When permission is confirmed to do this. Thanks! SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:33, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:33, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Permission has been submitted to permissions-commons AT wikimedia DOT org.
Mequa (talk) 03:15, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did you get a ticket number back? SchuminWeb (Talk) 10:09, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
File:Rada Cutlery Knife Block.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
  • This was tagged as a copyvio of one of the images at http://carlettascutleryandgifts.com/gift_sets. It's definitely copied from there, but the EXIF metadata include a statement of "Copyright status: Public domain", so it's not an unambiguous copyvio. I don't know whether this kind of thing can be faked, and I don't know how to check the metadata for the image on the website without uploading this image here. As a result, I'm quite confused by the whole situation. Nyttend (talk) 01:29, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ah, interesting. I entirely missed that. In principle, any EXIF can be faked, but usually you will find that the EXIF is genuine. You can use a program such as Exiftool to change or read the EXIF of any image. Commons:COM:EXIF also lists some other tools.
    • Exiftool reports "Copyright Flag: False" for File:Rada Cutlery Knife Block.jpg. Is this what causes Wikipedia to report "Copyright Status: Public domain"? The images on the website do not have "Copyright Flag: False". --Stefan2 (talk) 09:42, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have no clue. All I know is that I see "Public domain" next to "Copyright status" when I click the "Show extended details" at the bottom left of the description page. I've left a note at WP:RD/C asking for technical help here. Nyttend (talk) 18:13, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
EXIF data is trivial to forge, as Stefan2 says. Would you trust the metadata in this image? If you don't trust the uploader (or anyone downstream of them) you can't trust the metadata. -- Finlay McWalterTalk 19:56, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The question is not whether EXIF can be forged (as you showed with Media:An exif test image - for test use (not article space) use only.jpg), but where "Copyright status: Public domain" comes from. Does it come from the "Copyright Flag: False" stuff? --Stefan2 (talk) 20:35, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
File:189671 194.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
  • No permission from the actual copyright holder (the photographer). Stated permission from the band, and upload by the fan (also in picture), are largely irrelevant to whether we have permission from the copyright holder. 99of9 (talk) 12:39, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Various photos of puppets

File:SatyaSonali.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:SatyaShekhar.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:SatyaKirron.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Satyajitphoto.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Satyafamily.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Satya.gif (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:RamdasLijjatPapad.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:AamirRamdasPuppet.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:ChotuSingh&Satyajit.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:PhoonkPuppet.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:PoliticanPuppet1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:PreityRamdas.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

Photographs by Nikola Gruev

File:Rozhenski-manastir-ngruev.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Pleven town hall.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Pleven - centre.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Rousse-street-scene.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Troyan-monastery-gruev-1.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Tsarevets-gruev-1.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Nat-theatre-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Ndk-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Tryavna-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Borovets-gruev-1.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Borovets-gruev-2.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:V-tarnovo-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Bachkovo-gruev-1.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Bachkovo-gruev-2.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Albena-gruev.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Vratsa-street-scene-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:MadanBG-Gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:ElenaBG-Gruev-architecture.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Smolyan-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Melnik-wine-cellar-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Varosha-blagoevgrad-gruev.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Blagoevgrad-centre-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Glozhene-entrance-gruev1.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Glozhene-gruev2.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Aladzha-gruev-room.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Shipka-memorial-tower.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Sofia-metro-station-griev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Zlatograd-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Hemus-motorway-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Borisovagradina-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Borisova-gruev-1.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:BAS-gruev.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Balchik-palace-gruev.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Dryanovo-monastery-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Kozhuh-Ngruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Rupite-church-Ngruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Bansko-mehani-ngruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Tsarska-bistritsa-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Koprivshtitsa-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:CBS-ngruev-back.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Etropole-monastery-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Smolyan-houses-gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Sofia airport.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).
File:Centre of Blagoevgrad Gruev.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).
  • The permission given is extremely vague. There are various problems:
    • The stipulation that "only pictures [included] in Wikipedia articles fall under the GFDL" cannot work. If an image is included in a Wikipedia article under the GFDL and then is subsequently removed it doesn't just suddenly fall back to its original license. The GFDL is irrevocable, and this permission notice seems to ignore that;
    • As far as I know (disclaimer: IANAL), this "permission upon use" is not acceptable in US law;
    • Stipulations like "only one or two pictures maximum [per article]" don't make sense in terms of US copyright law. A picture either is licensed under a certain license or it isn't.
    • If a certain portion of images are licensed under the GFDL only, a list of the images that are should be provided by Nikola Gruev. — cdwn 21:10, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]