User talk:Macedonian
re:Testes @ Mycenaean Greece
Hello, A Macedonian
You beat me to it. We edit conflicted as I tried to add a warning message to 86.96.229.89 (talk · contribs)s talk page, after I reverted their silly unconstructive edits. They seemed very unlikely to be true! Happy editing! - 220.101 talk\Contribs 14:03, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- Of course they are not true. I thought you wasn't going to warn them, that's why I did it. Keep up the good job! A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 14:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- Well, some people do eat 'them'.(But sacrifice!?) I do usually warn about such silliness, but reverting and ignoring (thus denying their 'feedback' from us, which may be their entire purpose) saves time & typing! My internet link is slow (256K), so it takes a while to edit, preview and save, which is why we edit conflicted. Anyway, all good!
- 220.101 talk\Contribs 17:05, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
- Well, some people do eat 'them'.(But sacrifice!?) I do usually warn about such silliness, but reverting and ignoring (thus denying their 'feedback' from us, which may be their entire purpose) saves time & typing! My internet link is slow (256K), so it takes a while to edit, preview and save, which is why we edit conflicted. Anyway, all good!
Thank you
Thank you very much for your help. I really appreciate it. Take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 23:43, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
- Τσώπα ορέ, εφ'όσον είχε ουμπίες! (Translation: You are most welcome.) A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 00:10, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- I understood everything except "ουμπίες". I am now reminded of the variety and beauty of the Greek dialects. Thank you very much, ευχαριστώ πολύ. Τα ξαναλέμε. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 02:32, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, a shame, I thought that one would be the funniest... Ουμπία is translated as "έμμονη ιδέα, προκατάληψη, δυσειδαιμονία" and comes from Italian ubbia, meaning "irrational fear" (Γεράσιμος Χυτήρης, Κερκυραικό Γλωσσάρι, Κέρκυρα, 1992). See you around. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 09:26, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- This is really funny. I thought this was part of your local dialect. But obviously your citation refers to another region altogether. Looks like a good book. I may have to order it. :) Take care. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 10:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I saw Angelokastro on your userpage (beautiful picture btw, congrats) and I just couldn't resist to use a couple of words of the Corfiot idiom. It is a really good book, you should go for the revised second edition, 1992. Cheers!A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 10:59, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for the nice comments about the picture. It is a nice place and the picture may have caught some of the ambience. Thank you for the book details. It is already on my to-do list. Unfortunately this type of Corfiote dialect is not spoken too widely any longer, if at all. It must be the result of the uniform Greek education curriculum, but this analysis is for another day. It is good that a book has captured it for posterity because I don't see it surviving much longer. Best wishes. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 17:19, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello
I noticed recently the Alexander the Great article no longer refers to Alexander as a 'Greek King.' I was not happy about this and wrote a small question on the discussion page here:
What do you think about the change? [[User:Reaper7|Reaper7[[ (talk) 11:12, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
- Well, Alexander the Great was a Macedonian and a Greek as Leonidas I was a Spartan and a Greek or Themistocles was an Athenean and a Greek. What was being a "Greek" at the time if not to share the same kinship, language and culture (religion, cults, customs, etc.) with other Greeks? Wikipedia tries to maintain a political correct policy, which is fair; however it's true that even if political correctness was created in good intentions, it seems that it's often overused, misused, or taken way out of context, but I don't think that's the case here. Yannismarou comments well about it, take a look. A Macedonian (talk) 10:54, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Crucifixion Article
To use of the Orpheus Amulet in that article is inappropriate as Historian James Hannam demonstrated it was a 19th century fake. That is why I removed it from the article.
http://www.bede.org.uk/orpheus.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kristhehistorian (talk • contribs) 04:52, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
- Better take it to article's talk page to adjust info before remove it. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 05:29, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
Northern Cyprus History Section. Yes I should not have reverted without an explanation. Sorry about that.
Yes I should not have reverted without an explanation. Sorry about that. But protests about the weak economy in Northern Cyprus are so common that they are not extraordinary events historically speaking. They happen practically every month, not just in the year 2011. A lot of larger and more bitter protests about the economy have occured continuously for the previous years from the 1990s onwards, (for instance culminating in the storming of the Turkish Cypriot parliament in 1998) that the economic protests of this year seem rather pale. Economic protest are a fact of Turkish Cypriot life, rather than landmark events such as the referendum of 2004.
It is also not 100% linked with the Cyprus conflict either (eg.: embargoes), because the reasons are also too much reliance on Turkey, lack of any real investments from Turkey, this aid is used to pay the wages of the civil servants, and high level of corruption in which the financial aid given by Turkey is syphoned off. May be these reasons should be put in the economy section of Northern Cyprus - with sources of course. But in the history section the economic protests of 2011 are rather insignificant, compared to the previous years, To be historically signifcant for the history section, they should for example, paralyze the whole country or cause a change of government.
(Menikure talk) 12:27, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Donika Kastrioti
CO please don't revert edits as vandalism with Twinkle especially when the edits themselves are correct as in the case of Donika Kastrioti, a member of the Catholic families of Arianiti and Muzaka.I thought you were removing, sorry.--— ZjarriRrethues — talk 06:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
- No problem. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Reverts
Hello, just a piece of advice: I think you should be a bit less quick using your twinkle vandalism reverts. This [1] edit clearly wasn't vandalism, nor for all I can see was this [2]. I'm also pretty confident this [3] edit not only wasn't vandalism but was also factually correct (see discussion at Talk:Thessaloniki#photo). Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:19, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
- You are quite right on the third revert, but I have my doubts on the first and second. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 05:46, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- What "doubts" do you have? Of course these edits may have been objectionable for some reason or other, but that doesn't mean they were vandalism. The Macedonian Congress one had a clear and sensible edit summary, and the issue of terminology choice between "Palestine" and "Canaan" is quite open, as far as I'm aware. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- I mean that as for this revert the term "Palestine" existed since 2008, yet I assumed good faith by the anon when he it was changed to "Canaan", hence I gave a Level 1 warning. As for this revert, anon removed a large content of the article and I think the edit summary was not enough, since the information given in the deleted paragraph does relate to the article. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 21:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
- What "doubts" do you have? Of course these edits may have been objectionable for some reason or other, but that doesn't mean they were vandalism. The Macedonian Congress one had a clear and sensible edit summary, and the issue of terminology choice between "Palestine" and "Canaan" is quite open, as far as I'm aware. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
A popular Macedonian
at least with one wacky Turk I see. Toddst1 (talk) 22:26, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
- Quite right... :) A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 22:29, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
- So I've temporarily semi-ed your talk page. Toddst1 (talk) 22:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 22:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
- So I've temporarily semi-ed your talk page. Toddst1 (talk) 22:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
A little snack
Vandalize; Ballet
This is some kind of mistake I have not made any edits from this computer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.9.100.72 (talk) 17:04, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe this is a shared IP address and someone else before you vandalised the article? A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 21:23, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Android (robot)
Hi
For us non-Greek speakers, can you tell me what the "vandalism" was on that page please? Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 22:10, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- Hi, sure. See here: root ρ- 'man' , instead of: root ανδρ- 'man' . A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 06:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sure, I could already see that was the cause of the problem, unfortunately I do not know how that is vandalism. To me, and probably to most non-Greek readers, it is just two versions of Greek that mean the same thing, "man". How is using the different Greek letters and words vandalising? Is it saying something rude? insulting? etc. Chaosdruid (talk) 03:05, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
- It's blanking. It cuts the root to the meaningless -ρ-, (nothing but a letter; "rho") from -ανδρ-, i.e. the proper root of the Greek word for "man", ergo vandalism. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 03:15, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
- And, of course, non-Greek speakers cannot, by definition, catch such vandalism because it is all Greek to them. That's why we have the Greek speakers to catch such things. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 03:25, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation, I will revert if I see it. I like the idiom btw, though we don't really use that idiom in the UK -I would probably have used the term Double Dutch, as Greek is a language and double dutch isn't :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 03:44, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
- You are very welcome Chaos. I find the idiom amusing. Apparently the ancient Romans used it and later it was adopted in some modern languages as well. I also find the British logic for using "Double Dutch" impeccable :) Dr.K. λogosπraxis 03:53, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation, I will revert if I see it. I like the idiom btw, though we don't really use that idiom in the UK -I would probably have used the term Double Dutch, as Greek is a language and double dutch isn't :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 03:44, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sure, I could already see that was the cause of the problem, unfortunately I do not know how that is vandalism. To me, and probably to most non-Greek readers, it is just two versions of Greek that mean the same thing, "man". How is using the different Greek letters and words vandalising? Is it saying something rude? insulting? etc. Chaosdruid (talk) 03:05, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Need your specialised opinion
Please read the discussion that I've had with Fut Perf on the Kostas Novakis talk page. I know that I am not wrong but Fut Perf has steamrolled me. I have been articulate and patient but neither Fut Perf or Lunch for Two have shown me Good Faith. You don't need to get involved. If you think I am wrong (and I know that I'm not wrong) please tell me here. None of the sources used on that article corroborate that the language is Wikipedia's invention of "ethnic Macedonian" and in fact Kostas Novakis makes it absolutely clear that it is Slavomacedonian (which is all the Slavic languages in the same melting pot and not specifically Wikipedia's "ethnic Macedonian") on his CDs. Only one song (and I have no idea if it has been included on any of the CDs) is reported by Eleutherotypia, to have been recorded by Novakis, to be in the language called "i makedoniki" (which could in fact be the ancient Greek dialect of Macedonian because that is what it is called in Greece). But that is only one song. Fut Perf claims that one sentence about that one song is good enough for all the songs on all three CDs to be labelled "ethnic Macedonian" when there is no evidence that that only song, of 1,000 plus songs recorded by Novakis, is in itself not in the ancient Greek dialect of Macedonian. Both Lunch for Two and Fut Perf are manipulating the facts to back their political agendas. Fut Perf in particular is extremely manipulative and is very good at it. Walks on to the talk page and immediately accuses me of serial edit-warring (when I have not done so on the Kostas Novakis article) and uses that momentum in an effort to bully me in to submission. That's not an uncommon approach from Fut Perf and I have experienced it before. I have maintained my cool and have not taken the bait but the issue on the talk page remains unresolved. Nipsonanomhmata (Talk) 01:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Nicosia
Hello Macedonian. There is some edit warring going in Nicosia regarding the representation of the Turkish Municipality of Nicosia in the infobox. In the talk page, we've agreed that it this entity is not recognised by the Republic of Cyprus (the only recongised government in the island). This has been reflected in the article as well. In my view this entity's seal should not be shown in the infobox as it only represents Northern Nicosia (not Nicosia as a whole) - wheather legal or not. I've already made a suggestion to split the article in two Nicosia, Republic of Cyprus and Northern Nicosia, TRNC to avoid this sort of conflicts which have been going on in the last couple of months. I'd appreciate any thoughts you have on the issue. Many thanks. Masri145 (talk) 10:59, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Recipe external links
Hello Macedonian. Recently I added a link to an external links section of a page on casserole. The link is a casserole recipe, so its content is directly relevant to the page. I wonder why you removed it. Can you please explain? I can demonstrate hundres of other wikipedia pages on food which have recipe links in their external links section. Is there anything on my recipe page that makes it unlinkable per Wikipedia codes of conduct. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uddemir (talk • contribs) 21:28, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
- Hello there. The link you provided is irrelevant to the article, see n. 13 here. It will probably be relevant to articles such as Hyponatremia or Mushroom. Thanks for dropping by. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 07:16, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Ionian Sea
Thanks for that. I saw the "Our Sea" analysis right before you deleted it and wanted to quickly add at least a bit of cited Greek info to stem any tide of that sort of thing. You might, if interested, also want to take a look at the Etymology section at Ionian Islands. — the cardiff chestnut | talk — 13:12, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
- Well done and thank you too. I never had Ionian Islands on my watchlist, I will give it a look. A Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 13:17, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Re: Cygnus
Re-reverted, because it's not a candidate black hole any more, but a confirmed black hole, as per: http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2011/cygx1/ Thanks for your concern. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.89.15 (talk) 17:21, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for replying. It's always good to add a reason on the edit summary, as you did now. Macedonian (talk) 17:59, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
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re: Souliotes
The source was there, I just added the comment and sourced it again. Please read the source before removing and keep in mind that the Souliotes were part of Albanian history as much as they were part of Greek history. Please do not remove all references to Albania. Cheers. ZogSokoli (talk) 16:52, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- As I explained on the summary, I reverted you because there is a consensus on the talkpage, have a look. Macedonian (talk) 18:47, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
This is not a loanword from Modern Greek. It comes from Latin bryophyta, which is constructed from Ancient Greek root words. Hence, your category addition was incorrect. --EncycloPetey (talk) 05:01, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for correcting me, you are right. This is not a loanword since it's not directly taken into English. Macedonian (talk) 08:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Molossians
How come my edit is not constructive when it clearly supports the theory stated in the article by offering an additional example? All I added was a cognate of pelioi with analogous meaning in another Indo-European that existed and developed side by side with Greek. Such comparisons are used all the time when assessing the meaning of ancient words. What could serve better than an illustration using a living language? I hope that you reinsert the line I added to the article.--76.185.14.59 (talk) 04:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Hi. You will need a source for that, pls see WP:RS. Macedonian (talk) 04:04, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
- Also, it's irrelevant to the article. Macedonian (talk) 04:34, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Macedonia term and modern usage - Compose of a neutral map
Macedonia first of all is an ancient kingdom and then everything else. To what you refer as macedonia boundaries in this page, you refer only the last 100 years. I guess we miss some thousands years of definition. This page lack of information, facts, and education. What you call boundaries of Macedonia todays, you refering to the Turkish Vilayet of Thessaloniki, Monastir and Kosovo. However due the Ottoman Empire period, nowhere is reffering to the area as macedonia. However Turks make their vilayets not according to geographic term or ethnic groups areas, but they make vilayets according to the mix of population, because this cause less revolts and plus the local nations fight each other. Also in all Ottoman censuses, nowhere is mentioned any "macedonian" nation. So where was located Macedonia the previous centuries? Macedonia due the Byzantine period referred to the Themas of Thessaloniki, Strymon and Macedonia (which located in todays East Macedonia and Thrace. Evidence of that we can find into the Bulgarian Nationalism in the first and second wars and in the some previous years. VMRO, an originally Bulgarian organization which claims Macedonia to unite it with rest Bulgaria, was set mainly by Bulgarians, which Greeks and Albanians join in common goals of sending Turks away. Bulgarians refer to Macedonia as it was the Themas of Thessaloniki, Strymon and Macedonia, plus the Shopluk area. In Byzantine period Macedonia Thema was in the area of Adrianople, which VMRO claims also as Macedonia (See Bulgarian Nationalism and maps related to VMRO). VMRO exist as organization till today with claims over Vardar region due the high Bulgarian population in Shopluk area. Also there is another new VMRO of Skopje origin created the last decade and is the current political party and government in Skopje (FYROM). For the record, Bulgarians and Slavs came in the region of Balkans in the 6th century AD according of what they say and their history. Macedonia thema was relocated in late Byzantine period for strategic reasons and mainly due of the came of Bulgarians and Slavs in the area of Balkans after the 6th century and the wars between Byzantines and Bulgarians. In Roman period Macedonia was a cross road and located mainly from Durres in Albania all across the "Egnatia Odos". Is impotant to mention that Skopje city is all that period, never was part of Macedonia. However the City of Skopje original name was Scupi (Roman), Shkupi(Illyrian) and proof of that is the even latest period of Ottoman Empire which the City of Skopje known as Uskup, the name Skopje is recently invented and name it. Before even the Roman period, was the Hellenistic Era, even in that time Skopje city was not into the Macedonia's borders. There are questions such, why Alexander the Great spread Hellenism and not Macedonian stuffs if he spoke another language? Why he order Athenean Greek ships to explore red sea and find a route to India? What for was the Oath of Alexander in Opis? Why left no evidence of "Macedonism" instead all left are Greek if Macedonia and Greece was two different things? Probably because Macedonia is nothing more than Greece. What about the Kingdoms after Alexander's the Great era? Why Alexander had Greek teacher and not macedonian if it's different language? How they communicate? And for those who believe that Philippos does not like rest Greeks, why he teach Greek to his son and why he had Greek name as he and his son? Let's go to some definition. In ancient Greece there was no single thing called Greece, but there was region cities/states which fought each other and make alliances for glory and power. Notable is the Peloponnesian war which keeps for 50 years between Sparta (Lakaidemonians) and Athena. Each side had other Greek region cities/states as their alliances. For example Macedonia was with Sparta and Thebes with Athena etc. However when the so called Barbarians came in the area, Greeks stop fight each other, they form all together an army and send away the Barbarians, after that they continue their internal wars. Alexander the Great wanted to lead a campaign to Asia against Persians, however the rest states doubt if he can lead that due his very young age. For this reason he had to proof his self against the opposite alliance and did it. Note that areas such Epirus or Sparta was not set foot because they came from same alliance. After he prove his self to the opposite alliance he recruit army, which not include Spartans as respect of their legend in their epis battles of Thermopulai against Persians. The main reason of Alexander the Great of his campaign to Asia, was to take revenge for all Greeks about the wars of the previous centuries and of course as dreamed a free world. Greeks are all those which came from same nation and share same language, gods, tradition and civilization. A state or kingdom does not make the nation. Nation is people of same origin, and doesn't matter if they have one or more states. Example is the Albanians, are spread in Albania, Kosovo and FYROM, they have two states, they mainly are spread to another one, but they are from one nation. About the Vergina Sun, the sun of Vergina has been found to various Greek locations and is a symbol that represents the Olympian Gods mainly, the four elements etc. Actually is a Greek symbol and have found centuries prior Alexander's era in various locations within the Ancient Greece regions cities/states. About the language, Makedonia, Alexandros and Filippos has a meaning in Greek language. What it means in Skopski language? In Skopski language all those words has no meaning and is some plain words. And if all is different with Macedonia and Greece, how can those words has meaning in Greek language but not in Skopski language? What about the Skopski names and traditions, language? How can be related with Macedonia? And if you tell me that all change from time to time. Still how can be everything completly change? And if we speak about the Slav-Macedonian. Slavs came after 6th AD in the region of Balkans, they came 1000 years after Alexander's the Great death. Bible reffers also to the Macedonia. There are more problem to consider about the new State of Macedonija, the 35% of the total population are Ethnic Albanians which Skopski republic want to name them "macedonians" by force. Is important to know that all those Albanians who makes the 35% of the total population of FYROM, they didn't migrate there recently, but this place was their natural home before even the slavs came to the region. We mention about the city of Skopje for it's original name etc. earlier. Also there are more minorities groups in FYROM who are not refer to their selfs as "macedonians" Another issue is the Shopluk area and the Bulgarian population. More notes, into the FYROM parliament there are two official languages, Albanian and Skopski, anyone can speak whatever want, also Bulgaria issue passports to Skopski people because it decides that Skopski people are Bulgarians, passport issued to them just by fill up one form in the Bulgarian embassy. Is very known that FYROM people can understand better the Bulgarian subtitles than the Serbian one. Other remarks, the VMRO never claimed the Greek name of Macedonia or Alexander the Great, but they claim territory as due the centuries they lived and spread to that territories as outcome of the wars between Greeks and Bulgarians and they call the region Macedonia, as they learned from Greeks when they appear in Balkans in the 6th century. Today Bulgarians has no intentions to the historic Macedonia, but they have to Vardarska region (FYROM) which Shopluk located and many Bulgarians live. After VMRO failed to accomplish it claims, Yugoslavia turn that propaganda into it's own favour by renain the regions to sosialistic internal republics with extension views against Bulgarians, Greeks and Albanians. This change happened due the communist changes, as same happened to Communist Russia at that time. After the second world war, a civil war comes in Greece between the communists and democratics. Communist take their supplies from Yugoslavia which aims to expend to Macedonia by using the communism as an excuse. Yugoslavians of the Vardarska commited genocide against Greeks and they mess into internal matters. Prior that it had followed the plan of Yugoslavias extension to Bulgaria, Greece and Albania, and for this reason happened the renames of the regions to socialistic republics, to fullfill that plans and to create claims from nowhere. However and this propaganda failed. After the break up of the Yugoslavia, the Republic of Macedonija (FYROM) born. The only way to survive while is landlocked, is to take from others and to invent history if wants to survive. The first part, of adopt Bulgarian language and tradition it was already there as also the name, as given to the communist era. Now that communism in Yugoslavia collapse and the break, the area was landlocked and with no major population. However the first President of Republic of Macedonija (FYROM), make it clear that they are Slavs and they have no connection with Alexander the Great and his Macedonia (check videos). We can continue very much more further. Mention also that in the Ottoman Empire, even in 18th century was newpapers in Greek language, with names "Pharos" and "Makedonia" ... based in Thessaloniki.
COMPOSE OF A NEUTRAL MAP
Now let's back to wiki, a neutral map must not lay only to one side, but to show all sides. A neutral map must write in english or local language the name of the area according to what each state call the area. Then the map must write the names of the countries as it's nation wall it self and as others call the other nations. This will represent all sides and names in one and is very enough fair. Also the boundaries of Macedonia must be dotted, and within the dots and rest area to mention the name of the country, inside dots must be written all countries related to Macedonia region. Colors must be the main national colors, blue, red and green. Map must present also the ancient Macedonian kingdom and it's capital cities. Also additional can be a light line of the expand of Macedonia during Alexander's the Great time but remember that was a time of few years only according to the whole Macedonia's Kingdom period. This will be a very neutral map which will respect everyone.
NOTE: FYROM 40% of population are ethnics of other nationalities and they don't consider their selfs as "Skopski-Macedonijans" or "Slav-Macedonians" anything similar. All those populations aren't came there by migration, but where they live is their natural home. Meed to consider the opinion of the 35% of Ethnic Albanians and rest minorities groups. Then we can talk about good faith and neutral. --ГоранМирчевски (talk) 23:53, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
- You have a point ГоранМирчевски. Perhaps we can add some of the info above to a few articles, providing reliable sources, of cource. Macedonian (talk) 07:55, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Quick question
I understand that purely because Macedonian's see their nation and refer to their nation as 'Macedonia' wiki has to follow suit on how it names the article. I am fine with that. My question is this. Alexander the Great, his father Philip II and many of their forefathers referred to themselves as Greek, in letters/speeches and commonly and openly claimed Greek descent from the Argead dynastic house of Argos. they often went out of their way to state their Greek ancestry due to aggressive enemies within the Greek world who sought to devalue their Greek credentials.
Is it then fair to mention that they were 'Greek' kings on the introduction pages of their respective articles as that is what they self identified as. This 'Greek' label was unceremoniously removed years ago by the famous army of editors that redefined these pages for ever. As far as logic goes, would it be acceptable to mention these kings were as Greek as they referred to themselves. As it stands, the reader has no indication these kings were Greek unless he scans the 1800 line article and notices under culture that these kings shared the same religion/language etc as 'Greeks.' I would be really interested to hear your opinion on the matter. Reaper7 (talk) 23:44, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, I tend to think that this is ok, similar to articles like Leonidas I or Miltiades, where we don't mention their obvious Greekness. But I'm not really sure that's the right think to do with Alexander and Philip, considering the nationalistic actions... We do know of course that wikipedia tries to keep a "political correct" stance, but I believe that although political correctness was created in good intentions, it is often overused, misused, or taken way out of context. Macedonian (talk) 08:10, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Sphere is Kugel in germany
Dear Macedonian. I am still waiting for an explaination why you mean that de:Kugel is not the right linking from sphere into the german wikipedia. Go the way en -> fr -> de, en -> nl -> de, en -> da -> de, what ever you want. You will allways come to de:Kugel. The german article de:sphäre_(Mathematik) belongs to a special meaning of sphere in mathematics, which exactly is described in the english article N-sphere. --B-greift (talk) 19:59, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, didn't have your talk page on my watchlist. Apologising, I fixed it. Macedonian (talk) 06:22, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
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Yiasou! Can you help? I was improving the Hellenism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenism) page and the edits were deleted. I propose making it into more than a disambiguation page. It should define what Hellenism is along with its many uses. Here is a similar example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism Euxaristo! Editorinfo (talk) 14:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
- Yeia kai hara! Judaism is an article, while Hellenism is a disambiguation page that links to articles associated with the same title. Macedonian (talk) 15:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Sneaky edits
Warning: sneaking in an obvious POV edit like this with an edit summary of "fmt." is seriously disruptive. Stop it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:34, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
- What do you mean? I read WIPO info, did I comprehend it wrong? Macedonian (talk) 13:45, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
- My warning was about the fact that you hid this very substantial edit under the edit summary of a mere "fmt." change. Clearly misleading. – About the issue itself: the actual text of the treaty is here [4].
- It has nothing to do with copyright. There couldn't possibly be "copyright" on something that was created two and a half millenia ago. It's a matter related to trademark protection, which is a different thing.
- The whole scope of that treaty is exclusively about whether private entities may adopt a symbol as their own private trademark, while it is also in use as a state symbol somewhere else. Again, nothing to do with copyright, and nothing to do with competing usage by several states themselves.
- The fact that the V.S. is listed in the WIPO registry merely means that the WIPO duly registered the claim as filed by Greece. That registration is automatic; they will register whatever a state party submits in this way. It implies no endoresement and no automatic legal enforcement. The R. of Macedonia duly filed its objection a short time later, so it's essentially a claim and a counter-claim and nothing more.
- Greece file its claim at a time when use of the symbol by others was already established. The registration doesn't apply retroactively ("these provisions shall apply only to marks registered more than two months after receipt of the communication provided for in paragraph (3), above"), so if any private body abroad had already secured a trademark including the V.S. before that time, it would continue to be valid.
- The treaty has no bearing whatsoever on the use of the V.S. as a political or cultural symbol, outside the domain of trademarks.
- I'm not aware Greece has ever tried to legally enforce its alleged exclusive rights against any foreign party that was using the symbol, for instance by suing one of those diaspora organizations in Canada or Australia. I suspect they wouldn't stand a chance in court.
- In short, the whole thing is pretty irrelevant for just about anything. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:08, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
- My warning was about the fact that you hid this very substantial edit under the edit summary of a mere "fmt." change. Clearly misleading. – About the issue itself: the actual text of the treaty is here [4].
- Ok, there was no sneak intention to that edit whatsoever, but I admit it was a brief but wrong wording. About the protection, I read these: Circular Number: 3536, Circular Number: 7397. I will read the link you provided when I have some free time. Macedonian (talk) 14:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
- Uhm, yes? Those two links are the registration documents relating to symbols belonging to the European Patents Office or something. What do they have to do with anything? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:15, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
- You are right on the copyright issue, I apologize for the mess. But I don't understand, do you mean that the symbol is not protected under WIPO's Article 6ter as a state emblem of Greece? [5], [6], [7]. Macedonian (talk) 03:11, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
- It's protected against use in industrial trademarks by private entities (except, arguably, in the R.o.M., if the objection they registered is still considered active, and not superceded by the Interim Agreement). Any other use, as a political, cultural or historical symbol, including competing use as an official symbol by some other state, is completely unaffected by this treaty. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. Macedonian (talk) 15:26, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
- It's protected against use in industrial trademarks by private entities (except, arguably, in the R.o.M., if the objection they registered is still considered active, and not superceded by the Interim Agreement). Any other use, as a political, cultural or historical symbol, including competing use as an official symbol by some other state, is completely unaffected by this treaty. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
- You are right on the copyright issue, I apologize for the mess. But I don't understand, do you mean that the symbol is not protected under WIPO's Article 6ter as a state emblem of Greece? [5], [6], [7]. Macedonian (talk) 03:11, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
- Uhm, yes? Those two links are the registration documents relating to symbols belonging to the European Patents Office or something. What do they have to do with anything? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:15, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, there was no sneak intention to that edit whatsoever, but I admit it was a brief but wrong wording. About the protection, I read these: Circular Number: 3536, Circular Number: 7397. I will read the link you provided when I have some free time. Macedonian (talk) 14:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Civil
I have not made any personal attacks against you. Highlighting the character of your edits and content is a different matter. If you want respect, something which I myself wish to give to others, then you'd have to really 'grow up' - as a person and as an academic. Everyone is entitled to their view point -that's fine. However, when one edits disruptively by removing sources and then placing 'cite needed' tags, how are others supposed to react to such actions ? Also, like I have stated in the past, if you really want to learn about our (both our Macedonias) history, then you really must start reading some higher level stuff. Only then will you really understand the issues, this will enable you to understand the remarkably interestng aspects of historical development, and ultimately, stop the 'hate'. Coz I for one have nothign against GReece, or its proud history, and many of my colleagues/ school friends/ godparents even, are Greek. But then again, Im in Australia, and people here aren't so engulfed with 'historical rights' Slovenski Volk (talk) 05:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Slovenski Volk, calling me a nationalist is a personal attack, to name one... My edits are about improving the articles, and if cn tags are needed, we must add them, especially in articles of such interest. And if I didn't add cn tags, you wouldn't come back with some more sources, as you did, which is just an improve to the article. You must "react to such actions" with civility and cooperation, not with irony [8], [9] and personal comments[10]. I am a Macedonian as 3 million other Greeks are, deal with it and stop monopolizing the name in favour of Macedonian Slavs by using ironic quotation marks when you address to me. And which "hate" exactly are you referring to? Macedonian (talk) 06:56, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- No; the additions were all adequately referenced, but you;d know that if you actually read or were even aware of the material referenced - in such case you wouldn't need to constantly add 'cn' after every single sentence which doesn;t sit well with your personal opinion. I merely came back with more sources just because I could, because my knowlegde is deep and sources plentiful. And how am I monopolizing the name "Macedonian" ? You're the one with such a username. Not that it matters, but i don't agree with the Macedonian governments actions; but that doesn;t mean I;ll stop trying to diminish POV and improve the quality in all Balkan related history articles. So feel free to call yourself whatever you wish. Slovenski Volk (talk) 08:54, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Slovenski Volk, citations are important part of any Wikipedia article. You are monopolizing the name in favour of Macedonian Slavs by claiming that I'm not a Macedonian since I'm not a Macedonian Slav, using quotation marks in a clearly ironic way when you address to me as "Macedonian", and you know very well what I mean as you have repeatedly done it, see links above. But you didn't answer me, what "hate" exactly are you referring to? Macedonian (talk) 12:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- are you still whining about your name? Like I said, call yourself what you wish. Ill stop using the quotation marks of sarcasm. The other referece I was saying is that if people were more thoroughly educated about the intricacies of identity and history in our region, then there would be no hatred or tension about historical rights. basically, I agree wholly that modern Macedonians have no direct link to Ancient Macedonia. But then, neither do you. Even if we accept that the Ancients spoke Greek, and even though they became accepted as Greeks, Greece does not own the name, nor its 'historical rights'. The Hellenic Republic was forged in 19th century, so how it can own something which existed some 2, 500 years before the inception of its state and constitution, and feel that this name was "usurped" ? There is no direct continuity between any modern nation and any ancient people, so its history is, both, everyone's and no-one's. Slovenski Volk (talk) 09:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- I see your point, but you are missing a few things: ancient Macedonians not just spoke Greek or accepted as Greeks. They also self-identified as Greeks, participated in Greek games where only Greeks could take part, had Greek names, shared the same religion and customs with the other Greeks, spread Greek language and culture wherever they went, etc. Yes, the modern Greek state was established in the 19th century, but the Greeks are amongst the oldest nations, like it or not. And, of course, if modern Greeks shouldn't be connected with ancient Greeks and consequently with ancient Macedonians, then how modern Slavs could possibly be connected with ancient Macedonians?? Now politics are definitely tricky, but could also get dangerous, considering the territorial claims and the whole nationalistic agenda of the current RoM's government. I understand, as Borza pointed out, that modern Macedonian Slavs who have had no history, need one, but that should not be built by appropriating someone else's history, Greek, Bulgarian, or what ever. Anyway, this debate could go on very long so please let's stop it here. What we are trying to do is to help the improvement of this encyclopaedia, let's do so in good faith. Macedonian (talk) 13:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- That's where you're wrong; Greece is not the oldest nation - it is just as young as any other. Yes, Greek history has been documented for long time, but that's a different matter. I don't see how you can seriously think that RoM wishes to invade Greece's territory - with what ? Watermelons ? And the Macedonian Slavs do have a hsitory as long as any people. They were integral parts of Byzantine and Bulgarian Empires, which were always mixed Empires with Greeks, Slavs, Vlachs, etc. Ancient peoples were not "nations" - that is what you have been taught in school, but it is wrong. And Ancient Greek culture was widespread throughut the Mediterranean, many different people adopted Greek names, Greek religion, etc onto their own pre-Greek customs. Similar in Roman times, many different people became Romans, used Roman names, worshipped jupiter, etc. So should Italy now "own' the historical legacy of half of Europe ? The fact that most modern Macedonians now wish to see themselves different to, say Bulgarians or Serbs, doesn;t mean that they are appropriating anybody else's history by also celebrating it as part of their heritage things which happened in Bulgarian or Byzantine times, their ancestors were aprt of those entities which are not owned by any single modern nation. Yes, the RoM government might be antagonizing you, but you guys are being equally petty and stuborn. But I'm not a politician, just interested in history. So I hope that we can work together in Wiki in a civial, maybe even amicable manner Slovenski Volk (talk) 22:38, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, it seems we turn this talk page into a "Macedonia naming dispute" debate and as I said this could go on way long. Modern Greek state is young, but Greeks are amongst the oldest nations, as for instance Chinese are, and you are clever enough to understand the difference. Just because RoM doesn't have the military force to attack Greece now, does not at all change the fact that they do have territorial claims on Greece. Come on, they brought up since childhood with the fictional idea, and even taught at every school level, that bad Greece occupy their beloved "Aegean Macedonia" since 1913 and therefore they, someday, must have it back. Of’ course they can't, but that doesn't mean they don't want to, and you know very well what I am talking about. Using Rome and Italy is an unfortunate example, when on earth did I claim that Greece should own anyone's historical legacy?? Of course Greece doesn’t claim anyone’s legacy; this would be at least funny. It's the RoM who does such a thing; it’s the RoM who wants to connect its Slavic heritage and to identify itself with an ancient people, its history and its land, which they, the RoM, never had an actual connection with. Even the land which RoM occupies was never ancient Macedonia, except for a narrow strip on the south of the modern country! Yes, the Macedonian Slavs do have a history, but certainly ancient Macedonia as they claim it is not part of it. It's like claiming that Serbs and their history are Illyrian just because they settled on Illyrian lands, and Europeans are Aborigines because they inhabited Australia or Native Americans because they inhabited Native American lands, claiming the history and culture of those people as their own! Just think, what if Serbs start calling themselves "Illyrians", Europeans in Australia "Aborigines" and in the USA "Native Americans"? Now that would be funny! Anyway, let's hope that your hope will come true. Macedonian (talk) 10:01, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Vandalism warnings
I'm curious why you are issuing warnings on my vandalism reverts? (see history of e.g. Pyrros Dimas & Globe Theatre) Denisarona (talk) 07:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I know it's awkward. It's just edit conflict and I notice it is just after I gave the warning. Apparently we both revert vandalisms at the same time and give warnings right after, but as the system just accepts the first revert, even if the difference between the two are milliseconds, the warning is still issued. Macedonian (talk) 07:53, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- I usually check the history after rollback to make certain it was my revert, before issuing warnings. Thanks for responding & keep up the good anti-vandalism work. Denisarona (talk) 08:00, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- I will do that after warnings as well. Thanks a lot, you too! Macedonian (talk) 08:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- I usually check the history after rollback to make certain it was my revert, before issuing warnings. Thanks for responding & keep up the good anti-vandalism work. Denisarona (talk) 08:00, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Vandalism on Article about Methodism in the Philippines
What is happening to the article Methodism? One portion is being mutilated. Please we need your help. Can we do something? I tried to undo but they tried hard to continue. MRRufino (talk) 08:57, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- It looks ok for now, will take a better look when have some time. Macedonian (talk) 10:39, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Macedonian. I'm quite concerned about a lot of revisions happening in Methodism particularly that part of History of methodism in the Philippines. Edits contained vandalism and inappropriate language and citing some insults, in the other group. If my opinion counts, that would be a kind of discrimination. Isn't it? Are allowing it in Wikipedia?
Thanks. Christian Eilers (talk) 12:56, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I can't help much there since I don't know much on the subject, but what has to be done is to provide reliable sources for every unreferenced controversial claim in the article. Macedonian (talk) 07:25, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
κοιτα χαλια
πως δυνανται να το κανουν αυτο? πλεον μιλαμε για νομικα ζητηματα κατα του σαιτ αυτου. διοτι δε μπορεις να πλασαρεσαι ως wikipedia που ζηταει δωρεες καθε χρονι κι απ'την αλλη να εχεις τοσο εξωφρενικα ανιδεους λομπιστες διαχειριστες! εδω εγραψα χθες και ακριβη ψυχρη προταση γιατί με μπλοκαραν παραλογα,και απλα τη διεγραψαν! User_talk:Frizstyler — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.70.126.30 (talk) 16:25, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
- Καταλαβαινω την απογοητευση σου (τα'χω περασει κι εγω αυτα) αλλα μην το βαζεις κατω... Πρεπει να θυμομαστε πως η wikipedia ειναι εγκυκλοπαιδεια ελεύθερου περιεχομένου της οποιας μια απο τις βασικες αρχες ειναι η ουδετερότητα, δηλαδη ολα τα λήμματα πρέπει να γράφονται από ουδέτερη οπτική γωνία (WP:NPOV). Το περιεχόμενό της wikipedia μπορεί να διαμορφωθεί ελευθερα από τον οποιονδήποτε, συμφωνα πάντα με την πολιτική της την οποια διαχειρίζεται η ίδια η κοινοτητα από την οποία αποτελείται (οι χρήστες της δηλαδή). Οι αποφάσεις αυτης της πολιτικης αλλά και η πρακτική εφαρμογή αυτών βασιζεται στη συναίνεση των χρηστών, και καπως ετσι φτασαμε στην πολιτικη Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia) η οποια σαφεστατα δεν ευνοει την ελληνικη θεση στο ζητημα... Θυμησου ομως πως αυτη ειναι η αγγλική wikipedia και μπορεί να παρουσιάζει βρετανική/αμερικανική μεροληψία, οπως η γαλλική βικιπαίδεια να παρουσιάζει γαλλική μεροληψία, κλπ. Οσο για τους διαχειριστες, αν και υποκεινται σε κανόνες, ως ανθρωποι προφανως εχουν αντιπαθειες και συμπάθειες. Κι εφοσον όλα τα λήμματα γράφονται από ανθρώπους, η απολυτη απροκαταληψια ειναι μαλλον αδύνατη, καθώς οι άνθρωποι είναι εγγενώς προκατειλημμένοι. Οπως και να 'χει οφειλουμε ως μελη αυτης της κοινότητας να υπακουμε στους κανονες της, ενας εκ των οποιων ειναι η παρουσίαση αντιτιθέμενων απόψεων χωρίς ομως να επιβάλλονται. Παρακαλω διάβασε το Policies and guidelines, κι ελπιζω να επιστρεψεις εποικοδομητικότερα. Macedonian (talk) 04:52, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
ναι οκ τα εχω δει ολα αυτα το θεμα ειναι οτι πανω που μπορουσα ν'ασχοληθω κι ειχα τα επιχειρηματα ετοιμα για το talk,ερχονται διαφοροι και σαν δικηγοροι μου επιρριπτουν κατηγοριες(στις οποιες και απαντησα οταν ζητησα ξεμπλοκαρισμα αλλα τον μποινγκ δεν τον ενδιεφερε) οποτε με εχουν πλεον εκνευρισει απιστευτα. λεω ομως να το αφησω-να φαινονται και οι βλακειες που ελεγαν στη σελιδα μου-,εφοσον αλλοι Ελληνες εχετε διατυπωσει αυτα τα επιχειρηματα(απλα φαινεται να μην υπαρχουν πουθενα,μαλλον επειδη ο ταηβο εχει τη συνηθεια να σβηνει απευθειας οτι λεγομενο δεν τον συμφερει και αν τολμησεις να το επαναφερεις να σε κατηγορουν για edit war)--94.70.112.82 (talk) 08:07, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
A kitten for you!
![](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Young_cats.jpg/150px-Young_cats.jpg)
thank you for the warning but I didn't make changes or (vandalize) so I started an account. I love wiki It's giving me the education I can't afford in our failing economic climate. so here is a kitten!
TheEnd413 (talk) 20:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, I like cats! Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 09:53, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
"Macedonian Prayer" Video
I would like to ask you for a favor. First, thanks for improving my article on that video. Since, however, I am not authorized to place video (*ogg) files as a junior user, I would kindly ask you to place it there. If you give me "go ahead" I will make a Wikipedia software compatible video file representing that "pearl" of FYROM's cinematography. I think it would make the page more interesting. Again, as only an avid user has made enough contribution in order to add files, I hope we'll agree. My email is: plamenom [at] gmail.com . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.158.180.25 (talk) 09:06, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Καλησπέρα Μακεδόνα
Καλησπέρα,
θα ήθελα τη βοήθεια σου σε ένα θέμα. Στο άρθρο Alexander the Great στη σελίδα της συζήτησης γίνεται προσπάθεια να γραφεί το όνομα του Μέγα Αλέξανδρου στη γλώσσα του FYROM δίπλα απο την ελληινική, υποστηρίζοντας ότι ήταν βασιλεύς του αρχαίου Μακεδονικού βασιλείου που σήμερα είναι, όπως υποστηρίζει, τα Σκόπια. Συγκεκριμένα αναφέρει
i would like to edit where Alexander the Great was the king of Macedon now know as Macedonia and a macedonian translation of his name Bacondevil8 (talk) 14:38, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Μην αφήσεις κάτι τέτοιο να συμβεί. Υποστήριξε ότι το όνομα γράφετε στα ελληνικά διότι αυτή ήταν η αυθεντική μορφή του ονόματος του, στα ελληνικά. Το πώς το αναφέρει ο κάθε λαός στη γλώσσα του δεν είναι σημαντικό για το άρθρο.
Ευχαριστώ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Br shadow (talk • contribs) 10:43, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
- Οπως και να'χει ειναι ασχετο, και οπως βλεπω το αιτημα εχει αρνηθει ηδη. Macedonian, a Greek. (talk) 09:52, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Αλυτρωτική συμπεριφορά - No needed analysις of a name into another Greek article
- αναστροφή και άσχετη ανάλυση υπέρ της τουρκίας
- Καλησπέρα φίλε μπορείς να επέμβεις και να διορθώσεις μια κατάφορη παραβίαση των κανόνων της εγκυκλοπαίδειας παρακαλώ Ο συγκεκριμένος χρήστης έχοντας την ανοχή του παλαιού χρήστη συνεχίζει να αναλύει το όνομα του επταπυργίου σε ένα άσχετο άρθρο παραβαίνοντας το w.p., προφανώς είναι αλυτρωτική τουρκολαγνική συμπεριφορά. Περιμένω κάποια αντινμετώπισή σου. Ευχαριστώ --Πασχαλινό (talk) 23:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Albanian Nationalsm
Hello Macedonian! You sent me a message about Albanian Nationalism I am a beginner editor in Wikipedia, so i didn't know where to explain why i deleted these sentences. I was looking for a place where i could explain but I didn't found anyone. Thanks for showing me "edit summary", next time i will use it. (The reason of deleting these lines was because i am a student and i have never seen such kind of things in my books.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Empirefantasy (talk • contribs) 13:57, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
What's up that you don't accept the edit that I make in [[11]]?
Slavic speakers of Greece
Hello Macedonian!
I still don't understand your view point, especially for your rv on my edit in Macedonians(Ethnic Group). In my opinion the article about Slavic Speakers of Greece is incomplete. One of the easiest things to do was at least to write from which ethnic group are these people. There is not enough information about the Bulgarians in Greece, but I don't see what other ethnic identity they could adopt apart from Bulgarian or nowadays Macedonian. I see you don't agree with that and I would be happy if you tell me why. Proudbulgarian (talk) 18:34, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
- Hello there! The problem is with the source you providing. Please see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for more. Thanks and welcome! Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 07:27, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Undue warning
I saw you warned an IP user for "vandalism" in the Cyprus dispute article. A simple look at the article shows there is a content dispute between the two of you but nothing on the part of the IP user that could be labelled as "vandalism". Therefore please refrain from intimidating new users with flawed vandalism claims... --E4024 (talk) 11:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
- That was done out of hurry, thanks for the notice. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 11:22, 12 November 2012 (UTC)