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Though this dictionary entry has no nakaguro, it's a matter of preference. See these. [1] and [2]. Or is there any RS that says nakaguro is not needed with well known gairaigo? Oda Mari (talk) 10:13, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Is the IPA transcription [wʲu͍] possible? I thought that combination of the semivowels [w] and [j] would only result into [ɥ], that is, the semivowel equivalent of [y], the French sound in lune and the German sound in Müller. In any way, I think that trying to pronounce either [wʲu͍] or [ɥu͍] would make one's cheeks sore or at least numb, since "rounding-gliding-unrounding-fastly gliding-compressing" or "rounding and gliding-unrounding and compressing", both look pretty hard. Lguipontes (talk) 09:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When the superscript j is used with velar consonants, it usually means that the constriction is fronted towards the palatal region. In regards to Japanese, the [w] and [u] share the same labialization (a form of rounding with compressed lips), despite how they might be transcribed here and elsewhere. I have no idea if that's how the sound is actually pronounced in Japanese, though. — Æµ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 16:13, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I actually did not went to the article of [ɥ] to remember that it was referring specifically to [jʷ] and not [wʲ], and yes, they are different things. And my mind did not figured out that the Japanese [w] was just exactly the semivowel equivalent to their [u]. I excuse myself because I slept just some minutes after writing it in the morning, hahaha. Thank you. Lguipontes (talk) 06:48, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting in the Extended Katakana table has become confused

The original idea of the "Extended Katakana" table was apparently that characters in grey (that means character itself in grey, not grey background) are "obsolete and rarely used for writing Japanese itself now". This colour-coding scheme has become confused following the insertion of large numbers of standard katakana also in grey. This needs fixing or explaining. However, apropos of this, other questions arise:

1. Should we simply delete the standard katakana from this table? What are they doing there anyway?

2. The concept that grey characters are "obsolete and rarely used for writing Japanese itself now" seems muddled to me. By definition none of the characters or combinations here are "used for writing Japanese itself", or, presumably, ever have been. The whole point of the table is to list kana and kana combinations that are only used in transcriptions of foreign words. In order to more clearly explain this, we need to establish what, if anything, is special about the characters and character combinations in grey, which are as follows:

クヮグヮラ゜リ゜ル゜レ゜ロ゜ウァヷヸヹヺ

What, if anything, do we need to say about these by way of colour-coding and/or footnotes? 81.159.111.255 (talk) 21:23, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]