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Don Gerard

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This article has very little notoriety. Looking at the history, the subject himself was actively involved in the creation and maintenance of this page. Page is full of puffery, such as describing his playing in a bunch of non-notable bar bands as "seminal". He's a small town mayor who has had little exposure and the people who maintain the page are personally known and involved with the subject. Jamminjimmy (talk) 02:42, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

• Keep person suggesting deletion of the page is doing so as a vendetta due to personal and legal conflicts with the subject of this page that has nothing to do with of the notoriety or the accuracy of info. all info in this article is factual and verified with proper references. Jamminjimmy has no other wiki history other than trying to delete this article. Bob Andrews UTOW (talk) 05:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. czar · · 04:04, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. czar · · 04:04, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete. Regardless of the alleged motives of the nominator, the mayor of a town of 81,000 people is not inherently notable by WP:POLITICIAN and I can't find any significant non-local coverage of his role as mayor (the Google News hits when you add "Champaign" to the search term are almost all from the Champaign/Urbana News-Gazette or the Daily Illini, the newspaper of the University of Illinois, Urbana–Champaign). That leaves his musical activities, which I don't have the expertise to evaluate against WP:MUSBIO; however, I note that none of the bands he played in has a Wikipedia article and the article's editors (apparently including Gerard himself) seem to consider his music to be less important than being a facilities manager at UIUC, since that's mentioned in the lead and his music isn't. To me, this suggests that he's not notable as a musician. Dricherby (talk) 10:42, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete. HAL may be shocked, but there is not substantive coverage on policy. Some minor and local personal scraps, perhaps spilling over on WP. Couldn't find something to meet WP:MUSICIAN.Truth or consequences-2 (talk) 16:25, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

• Keep I think the article is poor, but can be improved. I'm going to try to dig up some more reliable sources and improve the content some. I'll find it a picture, too. The self-editing and bickering has resulted in a low quality article, but I don't that it should be removed. WP:IL has ranked it as mid-importance, too. NegatedVoid (talk) 02:53, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks – that's a definite improvement but thereare still no non-local sources, other than the single paragraph article in the Chicago Reader. Dricherby (talk) 08:13, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Added some more environmental stuff. The plastic bag stuff was covered extensively in Chicago based sources. Still searching for more. NegatedVoid (talk) 15:25, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
    • There's some more coverage of Gerard's (non-environmental) policies at [1]; adding more local sources to that would probably provide more detail. Dricherby (talk) 15:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

• Keep The mayor of a city housing the headquarters of Volition (video game studio), Wolfram Research, Jimmy John's and the University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign is plenty notable, especially as a perennially-rumored contender in the contested Illinois's 13th congressional district. Champaign's a pretty big town, and the handle of the person requesting a takedown is similar to a moniker for someone in a public dispute [2] with the mayor. Article should be improved, not taken down. 24.7.196.226 (talk) 03:59, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Notability is not inherited by mayors of towns containing interesting companies and universities. Notability also doesn't come from rumours, unless those rumours are reported in several reliable sources. The relevant guidelines are WP:POLITICIAN, WP:MUSBIO and WP:GNG. Dricherby (talk) 07:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete, subject has received passing mention in multiple non-primary reliable sources, and none of those sources appear to give the individual who is the subject of this AfD in-depth coverage; therefore to argue that the subject is notable per GNG or ANYBIO would be difficult at best (the closest sources that I can see as significant are this article and this article). Yes, the subject is an elected mayor of a 81 thousand plus city of Champaign, Illinois, but the subject is not considered automatically notable per WP:POLITICIAN. Therefore, not appearing to pass POLITICIAN, I am supporting deletion. An alternative is to redirect the article to the Champaign article per WP:LOCAL.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 15:35, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete I agree with the consensus here. This subject fulfills none of the notability criteria and seems to be frequented by campaign supports to burnish the image. Specifically noteworthy is subject himself was heavily involved in creating and maintaining page. Hackwayinteresting (talk) 02:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

• — Hackwayinteresting (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Legoktm (talk) 02:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

• note to closing admin I have striken the !vote of the nominator's sockpuppet per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Jamminjimmy Gaijin42 (talk) 18:34, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

• weak keep Semi notable for two unrelated reasons (music and mayor), lots of passing references collectively lead to barely passing WP:GNG imo. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:37, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
  • WP:GNG explicitly requires significant coverage and not just passing references. Dricherby (talk) 19:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

• Keep and possible bad faith nomination. A person with the same name as Jamminjimmy has been in a public legal battle with the subject of the article . Gerard is the subject of multiple press articles. The subject of PCBs in the Clinton landfill brings back dozens of different articles, alone. This seems to meet criteria 2 of WP:POLITICIAN. eaolson (talk) 03:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)