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Greek anarchism[edit]

Hello friend. In Greece the name of Konstantinos Speras is well known. We can make his article in WP again correctly because the previous one had a lot of promblems. But please, friend dont delete the sources that proves that he became a well known fascist. If you have any objections about it, and you believe lies that communist forces killed him (or cut off his head) cause he was an antistalinist socialist i will be very pleased to give you full proofs that he was fascist. Just check the bibliography of Greek article and request book and page. Best regards --Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 16:32, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Αντικαθεστωτικός, thanks for the note. Could you please share a scan of those sources—Nuvola apps email.svg mail me or link here? (I'm trying to determine the quality of the sources.) czar 10:33, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

1 Speras in 1926 as a witness in court against (all) the leadership of KKE, and he accuses them of nation traitors(with the possibility to have death penalty). Not stalinists in the leadership of KKE then but Pandelis Pouliopoulos.

2 Speras as hero of Greek fascists. (dont believe what he writes cause he dont have proofs for everything, he make from his mind many things)

3 Speras with the allias of "Greek worker" wrote the history of "Greek workers" in the fascist newspaper in the logic of worker fascist logic.

4 A greek right wing minor historian (but with many famous publications with good archive) wrote "ΑΝΔΡΕΑΣ ΚΟΝΔΑΚΗΣ. Επρόκειτο για αξιωματικό σε π.δ., ο οποίος ήταν πρόεδρος της Συνομοσπονδίας Παλαιών Πολεμιστών.[...] (Ν. Καλύβας, Ε. Ευαγγέλου, Κ. Σπέρας),. He writes about an army official who collabarate with the axis, and he had a circle of trade unionists between them...Speras. The first one Kalyvas, was in 1944 by nazis, a minister. He was killed by OPLA.

There is a lot of staff in Greek. But the big deal is that in 2018 noone says the opposite side. Only one left guy Stinas said before 30 years that Speras was an anarchist, in his memoirs he said a lot of lies and he did a lot of copy paste from anticommunist propaganda!Because he had very anger cause, stalinists killed his friends.

There is a lot of noise about him in greek internet maybe from his relatives, but after the last publication of Kostopoulos (a well known left journalist) who he just repeat what greek wikipedia wrote the conversation is ended for sure.

Απόστολος Κοκμάδης was an young army official who has give interviews and he says about the end of Speras. They were together and they went to fight against National Liberation Front (Greece). Κοκμάδης later became an officer of the army of communists, while Speras executed. Not beheaded. Not killed by OPLA as the "red terror" want. In Greece there was a ridiculus myth for years that Communist Army (ELAS) was good, but Communist police (OPLA) was bad. New historians proved that as good and as bad was ELAS so was OPLA. So Speras wasnt killed by OPLA as the myth wanted for not to blame the good face ELAS army, but from Orestis a prominent "captain" of ELAS.

Just to say that Avraam Benaroya and Yannis Kordatos insist that he was police informant from 1925. Was Avraam Benaroya or Kordatos a stalinist? I dont think so. --Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 12:26, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Αντικαθεστωτικός, from what I understand, you're interpreting those sources as proof that Speras identified as a fascist. That would be fine if you were a historian making a claim in your own book, but with Wikipedia, we don't make original claims like that. Instead we cite secondary sources (such as historians) who make those claims for us. So do you have a reliable, secondary source that you can quote as explicitly having said that "Speras became a fascist"? If not, we unfortunately cannot make that claim until we have a reliable source to paraphrase. By the way, I have a friend who can help with translations from Greek if need be. Appreciate your patience, czar 16:27, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
czar No. I dont say that. I gave you the sources of the archives to understand what was happened and to find the truth alone if you want, cause there is a little deny that he was facsict. For wikipedia rules: Three historians are saying that he was a Fascist. Hondromatidis, Kostopoulos and Koukounas. I gave the 2 sources in the article. Case closed for Wikipedia. Hondromatidis is saying that he was a member of Fascist party of 1936.
Hondromatidis, had written a book about Greek fascists. See the list of the Fascists.
--Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 19:18, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
@Αντικαθεστωτικός, great—I expanded the citation:

Chondromatidēs, Iakōvos P (2013). Ο αναρχικός Κωνσταντίνος Σπέρας [About the Anarchist Konstantinos Speras]. Hoi Hellēnes 'phasistes': hoi phasistikes kai ethnikososialistikes organōseis stēn Hellada tou Mesopolemou (1927–1936) Οι Έλληνες «Φασίστες». Οι Φασιστικές και Εθνικοσοσιαλιστικές οργανώσεις στην Ελλάδα του Μεσοπολέμου (1927–1936) [The Greek "Fascists": Fascist and National Socialist Organizations in Interwar Greece (1927–1936)] (in Greek). Pelasgus. p. 161. ISBN 978-960-522-356-4. OCLC 899259825.

Can you scan page 161 for me and quote the part that says Speras became a member of Mercouris's party? czar 20:18, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
Right now i dont have the book of Hondromatidis. But as you see he has written a book of Greek Fascists, and he was in a chapter the case of "anarchist" Speras. Right now i have the book of Kostopoulos of 2016. In Greek : Στη πραγματικότητα, ο Σπέρας ήδη από τα μέσα της δεκαετίας του 1920 είχε ταυτιστεί δημόσια με τους διωκτικούς κρατικούς μηχανισμούς, καταθέτοντας ως μάρτυρας κατηγορίας στη δίκη ηγεσίας ου ΚΚΕ για το Μακεδονικό επί Πάγκαλου κι αυτοπροβαλλόμενος σαν <<προιστάμενος του συνδέσμου των συντηρητικών εργατών>> . Το 1934 μετείχε στα εγκαίνια των γραφείων του Εθνικοσοσιαλιστικού κόμματος στην εφημερίδα του οποίου αρθογραφούσε, [page 150 ends] ενώ το 1936 εμφανίζεται ως παράγοντας μιας <<Εθνικής Συντηρητικής Οργάνωσεως>>. Αξίζει ν' αναφερθεί ότι, σε αντίθεση με τους φόνους των τροτσκιστών που έμειναν κατά κανόνα αδικδήκητοι ο κατοχικος Ριζοσπάστης δεν είχε κανένα πρόβλημα για την αιχμαλωσία του <<καθάρματος Σπέρα>> από το 34ο σύνταγμα του ΕΛΑΣ, ως εξουδετέρωση κατασκόπου σταλμένου <<Από την ομάδα Λαζαρή του ΕΔΕΣ>>

In a footnote Kostopoulos writes: Ο Λαζαρής υπήρξε πρόεδρος του αθηναικού παραρτήματος της Φασιστικής ΕΕΕ. translate : In fact, since the middle of the 1920s, Speras was publicly identified with the persecution of the state apparatuses, as a witness of accusation against the KKE leadership trial of the Macedonian during Pangalos dictatorship and self-proclaimed as "the headmaster of the conservative workers' union." In 1934 he participated in the opening of the offices of the National Socialist Party in whose newspaper he wrote, and in 1936 appeared as a factor of a << National Conservative Organization >>. It is worth mentioning that, unlike the Trotskyist killings that were generally unclaimed (my disclaimer: from the Stalinists of KKE), the Rizospastis(my disclaimer: the newspaper of KKE) during the Occupation of Greece had no problem with the capture of the << scum Speras >> from the 34th Constitution of ELAS, as the suppression of a spyman of Lazari team of EDES >>

In footnote : Lazaris was headman of Fascist EEE section.

--Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 21:16, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi there![edit]

Just want to say hi!Τζερόνυμο (talk) 18:09, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

The sources you provided are really interesting, esp the cleanup listing. I 'll see what I can do on that. I was trying to change the references in the article of Anarchism, from standard citation code to short-footnote. I have been told that it is not a significant improvement and stopped it. What is your view? Oh and something else It came to my attention the discussion on Konstantinos Speras. There is much controversy on him and this is not reflected in the article. Orthodox Communists portray him as a fascist collaborator and anarchists as a hero. (Unfortunately....nothing new here, imho) Both sides of this controversy deserve to be represented in the article. Have a look here Τζερόνυμο (talk) 18:25, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

The consensus on English Wikipedia is to usually use whatever formatting standard is currently in place, as the article's original steward chose that format as the easiest to maintain and it's usually hard to argue that another option is superior or something other than personal preference. But if you were to get consensus or go-ahead from the article's talk page to change the format, there would be little reason for someone to object. I, for one, wouldn't be opposed to short footnotes on Anarchism but a lot of the content needs to be rewritten from better secondary sources anyway, so that conversion could be part of that process.
Check out the conversation on Konstantinos Speras at the top of my talk page. I have a friend of a friend who is into contemporary Greek history and have been waiting to ask him about the sources linked above, but open to feedback if you can review them yourself instead. I haven't confirmed if they say what that editor claimed. I don't know what kind of editorial process the KSL has, but I'd consider that pamphlet a better source than the random hobbyist sites on the Internet, at the least. czar 18:35, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Possible Collaboration[edit]

Hey Czar

Just wondering if you’d like to collaborate somehow in your Smithsonian position with Black Lunch Table? So exciting. Congrats! Maybe an editathon or something? We’d love to help. --Heathart (talk) 11:54, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

I'd love that! I'll think through potential options but totally open to ideas too czar 12:29, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Ok I wonder what our schedules are. Bringing Fishantena (talk) into the convo... December is too soon/cold? or what do you both think? I could come down easily enough for a simple editathon if maybe you had a selection of new images that needed volunteer writing... or ? Maybe we should move this coordination to email? I'm heather at blacklunchtable dot com and cc jina with same email. Looking forward!--Heathart (talk) 18:10, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes Sent czar 14:10, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Peer review[edit]

Hey, I am continuously working on my Alodia article to get it ready for a FA nomination. Would you be interested to review it when I am done with it (which I guess will take two or three more weeks)? LeGabrie (talk) 18:41, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@LeGabrie, nice! Sure, let me know when you're close and I'll take a read as time permits. Fair warning that my FA reviews are somewhat brutal, but even without going full throttle, perhaps can give some light feedback. I think the biggest hurdles will be (1) maintaining readability for a general audience, given the level of jargon, and (2) the source review, in which a reviewer should spot-check the article's claims (and will likely need help accessing offline sources). czar 14:08, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Alrght, I am already quite excited, knowing that people will read and analyze my work very carefully :) LeGabrie (talk) 17:50, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
I just finished the "Languages" chapter, working my way up to down. What would you think if you'd already start with the PR, so we both do our work at the same? Reason is that I might run out of free time soon. LeGabrie (talk) 20:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

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Rambo V[edit]

Hello! Please remove Rambo V to make space and move Untitled Rambo fifth film to Rambo V per discussion at Talk:Untitled Rambo fifth film#Requested move 3 October 2018, thanks. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 14:29, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

@Captain Assassin!, ✓ done czar 14:56, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 15:56, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello again, please move Draft:G.I. Joe Ever Vigilant to Draft:G.I. Joe: Ever Vigilant, thanks. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 19:25, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
@Captain Assassin!, ✓ done czar 19:32, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

no sources refer to her by this deep lore factoid[edit]

It's literally written on the official Overwatch website (click on the 'Story' button). Y'know, the link right in the bottom of the article? Not exactly what i would call 'deep lore factoid'. Trade (talk) 21:39, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

The fictional character's in-universe name is not something that a general reader needs to see in the most importance sentence in the article (its first sentence). As I said, it's already mentioned appropriately within the article. czar 21:45, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hello again. I hope that you are having a great start to your week. I am considering Desperate Housewives: The Game as my next project, but I ran into a small issue while starting the "Plot" section. The player can select a name for the protagonist and her husband and son; none of them come with default names. I was wondering if you had any advise on how to write a "Plot" section without awkwardly repeating "the player character", or if you knew a high-quality article (i.e. a GA or FA) that handled this situation well. Thank you in advance, and apologies for the random message. Aoba47 (talk) 03:12, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

@Aoba47 Hm. Most VG with stories sizable enough to justify a discrete plot section also title the main characters, so a tricky predicament. No examples readily come to mind but feel free to browse the lists of good and featured VGs. For straight variance, can use "player-character", "protagonist", "main character", as appropriate—how much of a protagonist is the central character? I'd specify/source that the character has no canonical name. In any other game, I'd also try the construction "the player's X" (the player-controlled alligator, the alien character) but it's too weird to substitute "wife" into those examples as the character type. You're going to have to get crafty. I'd focus on writing it out first and can worry about reducing the redundancy later. Alternatively, I'd be curious how the sources discuss the importance of the plot in the game. If the story is a central game element, carry on, but if it's not, might not need to explicate the turns of the plot in such detail. VG plot can often be covered in context within the Gameplay section. czar 10:09, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the response. I believe that the plot is sizable enough to warrant its own section, as it is one of the main aspects of the game. I would describe Desperate Housewives: The Game as pretty much a visual novel-esque game ran into some weird form of The Sims game engine. I was thinking of maybe referencing the characters through the generic titles (the wife, the husband, the son) as all of the characters (whether they were taken from the show or are original) have full names. It will certainly be interesting, but it would be cool to try out sometime in the future. Aoba47 (talk) 18:22, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

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Godzilla vs. Kong[edit]

Hello Czar! Please do the histmerge of Draft:Godzilla vs. Kong into Godzilla vs. Kong, all the edits before July 15, 2017‎. Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 16:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

@Captain Assassin! and Rusted AutoParts, ✓ done. Histmerge didn't quite make sense, so I just mainspaced the draft version since I couldn't repair the cut & paste move. If you pull from the other version's edit history, please remember to properly attribute the origin of each edit so that the authors receive proper credit (Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia). czar 03:48, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks. --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 16:42, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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Social Centres in the United Kingdom[edit]

Reply to Czar

Hi Czar, thanks for getting in touch. I've been an admin of the Social Centres Network in the UK for a number of years, after re-launching it with a view to help it survive and flourish. I've had limited capacity to support the network as much as I would like to and have had very little time to be online also. I haven't been the only person working on the 'Social Centres in the UK' page but I have been doing my best to keep the information on it up-to-date and all links working etc etc. The page has been our main 'go-to place' for information about the network as we do not currently have a website. Lots of people have said that it was good that we had a Wikipedia page and not a website, and it was nice that anyone in the network could edit the page etc. I have to say it was quite shocking when I went online to edit the page and the content was suddenly missing, and this was without any warning, messages or discussion at the top of the page as I used to see on Wikipedia. We have lots of links going to the page, and do not have the information on the page stored anywhere else, so it is not that I 'prefer that version' as you assumed, but it is our *only version* so to speak. I had to undo it in order for the information to be saved and links that we use to work for people to find out about us, the network and the projects etc. And so I would very much like to "please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus" as this is how we work as a network and in our groups. However this is not how Wikipedia editors seem to have acted. I was the main editor on the page and was never contacted until I took action to save the work that had been done to the page. Please let me know how we can keep the page, and what we need to do to get it up to Wikipedia standards - I thought Wikipedia was about preserving information, making it accessible and open in the process, and so I hope that we can see that in action with this page instead of destroying it and acting instead like the editors (non-consensus-based) of other websites. Thanks. --RossPepier (talk) 15:22, 15 October 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RossPepier (talkcontribs)

Responded at User talk:RossPepier#October 2018 czar 18:25, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary[edit]

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Three years!

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Hi there![edit]

Hello Czar -- returning your greetings here. Thanks for the invites -- I'm still learning the ropes, and it's nice to have a guide or two... (Let me add: I do translation work, and I'm interested in adding content from wp in other languages to the enwp coverage of anarchism.) -Jesse.

Cohn-jesse (talk) 15:23, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@Cohn-jesse, nice—welcome! Drop a line if you ever have a question or need a hand with anything. The French Wikipedia (frwp) has useful links to the online Jean Maitron encyclopedias for minor anarchists.
Maybe not as exciting, but I'm working through all anarchism articles with maintenance tags for cleanup. Today I came across the anarchist-affiliated French musician Léo Ferré, which needs source cleanup (basically to remove its uncited sections if they can't be sourced). The French version has more potential sources. Otherwise it'll likely need to be gutted. czar 18:06, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Czar -- question: how to create an English translation of the French bio for Daniel Colson while disambiguating it from irrelevant English-language pages under the same name? Cohn-jesse (talk) 18:15, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@Cohn-jesse, I've moved the character article to Daniel Colson (character) so you can create the article at Daniel Colson now. Since the human would be the primary topic for that name, the title doesn't need a parenthetical disambiguator. By the way, have you seen/tried the Special:ContentTranslation content translation tool? (More background here.) czar 18:29, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Czar, want to have a look at what I have so far? Cohn-jesse (talk) 23:56, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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