Talk:Jawaharlal Nehru

Rajmohan Gandhi's "Boatman" ref

Hello,

Whoever placed the Rajmohan Gandhi - "Good Boatman" references had made a problematic insertion in my opinion:

(1) In his book Patel: A Life Gandhi NEVER called Patel an un-all India leader. The assertions in the edits could not have been made by the same man.

The problems with Muslims were a perceived flaw in Patel, but the edits cut him down as if he were genuinely controversial.

(2) WHY WOULD A MAJORITY OF CONGRESS vote for Patel if he was not a genuinely all-India leader?

(3) Azad, Kripalani, Prasad were not involved in the 1946 presidential elections. Kripalani had received the vote of one PCC, which he used to endorse Nehru.

I find it hard to believe that R. Gandhi made different assertions in different books. There is obviously no harm in putting up alternatives to the 1946 election controversy explanation, but this is a dubious insert.

Jai Sri Rama! User:Rama's Arrow.

nehru-mountbatten affair

An important part of his life is not adeqately elaborated

intresting refrence to this article source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1216186/The-shocking-love-triangle-Lord-Mountbatten-wife-founder-modern-India.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1085883/The-royal-gigolo-Edwina-Mountbatten-sued-claims-affair-black-singer-Paul-Robeson-But-truth-outrageous-.html http://rupeenews.com/2009/11/edwina-nehru-affair-was-sexual-catherine-clement/

Religion

What was his religion? Hinduism? Was Ganga Dhar Nehru his grand father who was a Mughal. This things should be cleared. Please reply.Ovsek (talk) 15:04, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I am doubting too, because he was cremated as per hindu rites. And his admiration for bhagvad gita is notable too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.9.129 (talk) 16:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

This one needs attention, because i have seen his autobiography, "Jawaharlal Nehru, an autobiography: with musings on recent events in India" from 1955, it reads at one page that "For the first time i began to think, consciously and deliberately of religion and other worlds. The Hindu religion especially went up in my estimation; not the ritual or ceremonial part, but it's great books, the "Upnishads", and the "Bhagvad Gita"..." there he is even submitting that he recited verses of these books with Mahatma Gandhi in evening.Capitals00 (talk) 16:40, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

For now, i have removed the "religion" part, because his religion was possibly not atheist agnostic, considering he hasn't mentioned it anywhere in his autobiographies. Second hand sources must not be collected because same allegations of being "atheist agnostic" also applies on some others, like mustafa kemal. Capitals00 (talk) 17:57, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I've reverted your edits because his agnosticism has been exhaustively documented. Your personal analysis is irrelevant. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:03, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

So you are saying that his own autobiography is less credible than the propaganda? For your information, there are huge documentation of the atheism of Mustafa Kemal, but doesn't means he was atheist/agnostic either.Capitals00 (talk) 03:09, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Was remembering one of his quote, about Hinduism which goes like:-

" The statue of Nataraja (dance pose of Lord Shiva) is a well known example for the artistic, scientific and philosophical significance of Hinduism." And "The Bhagavad Gita and the Upanishads contain such godlike fullness of wisdom on all things that I feel the authors must have looked with calm remembrance back through a thousand passionate lives, full of feverish strife for and with shadows, ere they could have written with such certainty of things which the soul feels to be sure." [1] Such thoughts/reactions are far from being atheist or agnostic. Capitals00 (talk) 03:48, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

That's actually a quote from George Russell, but even if it were something Nehru had said, an anonymous Wikipedia user is not a more reliable source for interpreting Nehru's life and writings than people who have credentials. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I can't see if you are backing your point, which 'anonymous wikipedia' user? Again, no one could be more reliable than Nehru himself, when it's about his religious belief, there are many gossips, and rumors around, doesn't make any of them to be true, now i can collect 4 sources that obama is a muslim, but in real, he is not. Capitals00 (talk) 04:23, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Edited now. Capitals00 (talk) 00:04, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

@ Roscelese, since you have refrained from discussing, then why you are still reverting the edit back? Once again, just because someone calls him agnostic, sarcastically, after his death, doesn't means that it makes him agnostic, since he never admitted it himself. Capitals00 (talk) 00:34, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

@Capitals00, i made the the change, which is similar to David Ben-Gurion as atheism is recognized in hinduism as well. I will look into this more, that how to add other texts, later. InfocenterM (talk) 09:51, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

The reliable sources mentioned clearly terms him as an atheist or an agnostic. Rahul Jain (talk) 11:51, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

More reliable sources mentions Mustafa Kemal as "atheist" or "jewish", and obama as "muslim". Doesn't means we have to buy such nonsense? Capitals00 (talk) 13:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

"Hinduism can include many cultural bases. Jawaharlal Nehru said to George Bernard Shaw: "We are both atheists but the difference between us is that I am a Hindu atheist and you are a Christian atheist"..." Sourced it as well. That would be enough.InfocenterM (talk) 14:20, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I've reverted your edit because that's not a reliable source. It is a record of a debate where a particular Member of Parliament quoted that supposed remark on the floor, but you can say anything whether or not it's true and the record of the debate will still reflect what you said, it's not fact-checked. I can only find the quote in material related to this debate, and not in any other sources. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:37, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Personal life

Don't you think that the page should be merged into 2nd section, because much of personal life related content exists at "early life and career(1889-1912)". Capitals00 (talk) 00:04, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Patel was chosen as PM instead of Nehru

There is no mentioning of the fact that the Members of Parliament chose Patel over Nehru as PM. However due to Nehru's insistence and appetite for becoming PM, Gandhi asked Patel to withdraw himself from PM's race and instead let Nehru become PM. This should be mentioned in the biography of Nehru along with his affair with Mountbatten's wife. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.144.141 (talk) 06:16, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Assassination attempts and security (edit request)

There have been four known assassination attempts on Nehru. The first was attempt on his life was in 1947 while he was visiting NWFP (now in Pakistan) in a car . The second one was by a knife-wielding rickshaw-puller in Maharashtra in 1955 [2]. The third one happened in Bombay (now in Maharashtra) in 1956.. The fourth one was a failed bombing attempt on train tracks in Maharashtra in 1961. Despite threats to his life, Nehru despised having too much security around him and did not like to disrupt traffic due to his movement.

Hello. Please add the above. Nehru is an historic figure and as such, it is important that facts like these about his life be mentioned. --70.76.85.36 (talk) 10:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)