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Template error

{{AR4}} is generating an error, which can be seen at the template page itself.

Unknown parameter |trunc= ignored

My guess is that this arose when converted to Lua. First, how can I tell whether a template has been converted to Lua?

Does anyone know what the parameter was intended to do?

I'm uncomfortable simply removing it without knowing what it was meant to do.

I'd check with the author, but he hasn't edited in two months.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 21:20, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Someone went ahead and removed it, but I'm still curious if anyone has an idea what it was intended to do.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 21:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
{{AR4}} uses {{citation}}, which has been partially converted to Lua: you can tell that it uses Lua because when you view the template source, it contains code like {{#invoke:citation/CS1| ... }}. The text between the #invoke: and the first pipe shows which module is being used: in this case Module:citation/CS1.
Anyway, {{citation}}, like most of the other citation templates (e.g. {{cite book}}) were front ends for {{citation/core}}, but there are inconsistencies between the parameter names, mainly to handle aliases. For example, in {{citation}}, you could give the first author's surname using any of |last= |surname= |last1= |surname1= |author1= |author= |authors= but whichever one you used, that would be passed to {{citation/core}} via the latter's |Surname1= parameter.
As far as I know, |trunc= was never valid; however, {{citation/core}} does have a |Trunc= parameter, which was set from the value passed into {{citation}} through the latter's |display-authors= parameter. In this case, I think the intention was to set the number of authors displayed to 3, with the fourth and subsequent being collectively shown as "et al."; however, there were other things wrong with the syntax as used in {{AR4}} so it wouldn't have worked even if the |trunc= had been amended to |display-authors= --Redrose64 (talk) 09:39, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanation. Didn't catch all of it, but enough to cover what I need.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 02:38, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On the same subject

I notice that a lot of film awards have navigational succession templates (for want of a better word) that link to other templates.[1] I've nominated Template:GuldbaggeAwardBestFilm footer if you see what I mean. --Rob Sinden (talk) 13:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template horizontal timelines

I spotted a problem some while back on the page Great_Oxygenation_Event and so I've tried to figure out was was going wrong by running my eye over the various templates involved. I mentioned it on the talk page there and I think that displays the basic problem. I *think* the solution is probably to fix the template template:geological periods using the techniques from the template template:geological eras. But at that point I started seeing more nested curly brackets than my tiny mind could comprehend, so I thought I'd ask if someone here might be able to help. Incidentally the 'rough' example in the documentation for horizontal timelines also appears to have the problem with stuff not lining up. I should note that I don't know the correct start/end dates for the various geological eras and periods - but they are included already I think, and are certainly in the relevant linked articles if some are missing, but its clear that both the lines are offset or to a different scale or something. Sorry if that was a bit waffling, hope you can help. EdwardLane (talk) 07:45, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm baffled. (indeed, a nested curly bracket headache). For anyone else looking, the rough/crude documentation example that EdwardLane mentioned is at Template:Horizontal timeline.
Template genius requested! –Quiddity (talk) 23:16, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mislinking to wiktionary

Template_talk:Infobox_Chinese#Technical_help_needed. Can anyone help please In ictu oculi (talk) 09:03, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

See Cholesterol#Interactive pathway map : the magnify link does not link to File:StatinPathway WP430.png, as it should. Comes from bad use of image parameter of {{CSS image crop}} in {{StatinPathway WP430}}, but I don’t know how to correct it (and I don’t know how this template can work without failure). — Ltrl G☎, 11:28, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

fixed. still puzzled how this thing actually works when the image passed is not a raw image name, but adding an option to override the magnify link appears to have fixed it. Frietjes (talk) 16:07, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Template experts! I wanted to ask a huge favour. Can you make a template for English legal cases, like this for United States case law:

The citation system in the United Kingdom has a number of reports, many of which are online at www.bailii.org. There are the codes [2008] UKSC 41 for the UK Supreme Court, [1999] UKHL 1, for the House of Lords before, EWCA Civ for the Court of Appeal Civil Division, EWHC for the High Court, and so on. Then there are pre-online case citations from various reporting companies, with an official one like this: [1990] 2 AC 663 (AC abbreviating "Appeal Cases").

What would be ideal is if the template allowed (1) a click on the case number to direct to Bailii's online reports, and (2) a click on the letter code to direct to the page explaining what the reports are. Bailii's case url's are a standardised format, like this:

And the case citation page is here at the moment:

Please drop a line on my talk page if this all sounds do-able. It'd be a fantastic service. Many thanks, Wikidea 16:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the fix --  Gadget850 talk 17:52, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

stub template/category mismatch

The Template:"Darts-competition-stub" shows a different message than the Category:"Darts tournament stubs", which the Stub populates. I don't know how to fix it, so am letting you fine folks at WP Templates know. Thank you. Rpyle731talk 05:17, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed, see here. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My goal is to modify {{CBB roster/Header}} and {{CBB roster/Player}} so that if the parameter sex= is set to w, not only will it change the title as it does now, but also that it will suppress the weight column.

I created {{CBB roster/Header/sandbox}}, which seems to work correctly.

However, I have two issues with {{CBB roster/Player/sandbox}}.

The first is that it doesn't work. When sex=w, it is fine, but for the default, I get an extra line feed, see User:Sphilbrick/sandbox for an example.

My edit was to replace 

| style="text-align:right; white-space:nowrap; font-size:90%; | {{#if:{{{lbs|}}}
| {{{lbs}}} <small>lb</small> <span style="font-size:80%;">({{#expr:{{{lbs}}} * 0.45359237 round 0}} kg)</span>
| <center>—</center>


with 

{{#switch:{{lc:{{{sex}}}}}|f|female|w|women|womens|women's=|#default=| style="text-align:right; white-space:nowrap; font-size:90%; | {{#if:{{{lbs|}}}
| {{{lbs}}} <small>lb</small> <span style="font-size:80%;">({{#expr:{{{lbs}}} * 0.45359237 round 0}} kg)</span>
| <center>—</center>}}

The intent of which is to fill in the weight as usual for the men, and do nothing if women.

I tried moving the pipe (the one after #default =) to the beginning, which seemed to fix the men option, but not the women. So, for example, if I move the pipe to the beginning, as here: 

|{{#switch:{{lc:{{{sex}}}}}|f|female|w|women|womens|women's=|#default= style="text-align:right; white-space:nowrap; font-size:90%; | {{#if:{{{lbs|}}}
| {{{lbs}}} <small>lb</small> <span style="font-size:80%;">({{#expr:{{{lbs}}} * 0.45359237 round 0}} kg)</span>
| <center>—</center>}}

It works for the men option but not for the women

So my first question is what am I doing wrong, and how do I do it right to cover both cases?

My second question is that I needed to introduce a sex= parameter into the Player template. If the first question is resolved, it means I'll have to rewrite all the uses of the template, as the current implementation has a sex= parameter in the header, but not in Player. I know you can pass parameters from one template to another when they are nested, but that doesn't seem to apply. Is there a way to take advantage of the fact that no one uses a Player template without a header template, and get the parameter from that template?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:36, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Does it now work as intended? Ruslik_Zero 17:46, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
unfortunately, unless one template calls the other, there is no way to get the parameters from one to the other. if there is a common pattern for the article names, you can sometimes use that. for example, if all the articles have 'women' or 'lady' in the title (e.g., women's basketball). as far as the whitespace issue goes, the issue is with an additional newline when the weight column is removed. a way around this is either (a) use html <td>...</td> markup or (b) use || table markup and remove the newline. I made a change to the sandbox which should fix the problem. Frietjes (talk) 17:54, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, it works, now to go look and see what you did.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 17:57, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Advertising userboxes on categories which the userbox adds the user to.

This message is to inform the members of this WikiProject that there is an on-going RfC on WP:VPP#Advertising userboxes on categories which the userbox adds the user to. that I think you all may be interested in. Technical 13 (talk) 19:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Film director navboxes

Do we think that a film director's navbox would need splitting down into decades - an arbitrary split anyway? I've been tidying up some navboxes and removing decade splits (unless the navboxes are exceptionally large) but another editor isn't happy with this. I've started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film#Film director navboxes --Rob Sinden (talk) 18:14, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Help to check and finish the creation of a new template

I wrote my request also on the Help-Desk, but I really don't have time to finalize what I started few months ago if anybody could help, it would be great. Thanks in advance.Bastaco (talk) 14:00, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This was my last message from end of June: "I am still trying to create a new template for WikiProject Biology, the page is Template:Subtitle/Taxon. One user help me a lot but still have some problems when trying to edit the subtitles, it does not appear like in the exemple. It's small details for sure just a question of brace or something like that!! If an expert could have a look on it to finish this nice template, please. Thanks in advance for your contribution." Bastaco (talk) 09:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

This is for example the result I would like to have in the english wiki version: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablabys_taenianotus

And this what I get at the moment when I try the subtitle template in english version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablabys_taenianotus

Thanks for your help, Bastaco (talk) 18:07, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that the French version of the template transcludes the parent template fr:Modèle:Sous-titre. I am guessing that some of the code in Template:Subtitle/Taxon is there in place of the parent template Template:Subtitle which does not exist on the English Wikipedia. Maybe there is an error in that added code?--ukexpat (talk) 18:57, 26 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@ Ukexpat: The original french version is fr:Modèle:Sous-titre/Taxon, if it may contribute to help me. Bastaco (talk) 08:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Bastaco: There are more specialized places to ask for help. If you don't get satisfaction here, after a couple of days, I suggest posting at WT:WikiProject Templates. Just keep in mind that (a) you should not post a question in two different places at the same time; rather, try one place and give editors a couple of days before you go elsewhere; (b) when you go to the second place, do mention that you tried at the first place, but didn't get what you wanted. By doing these two things, you won't irritate editors who might be able to help you. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 18:23, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Bastaco: You need some stuff added to Mediawiki:common.css to make the template work as you intend :
code needed
/* Subtitle (Template:Subtitle) */

h1 #sous_titre_h1 { 

 display: block;
 font-size: 0.7em;
 line-height: 1.3em;
 margin: 0.2em 0 0 0.5em;

}

You will need to make a request at MediaWiki talk:Common.css, using the {{edit protected}} template. Mdann52 (talk) 13:03, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

you need more than stuff added to Mediawiki:common.css, but some javascript as well. the French version grabs the contents of this span and moves it into the title, which requires javascript. the additional stuff that you are asking for would just make it look less horrible if someone has javascript disabled. but, I would encourage you to post your request at MediaWiki talk:Common.css. Frietjes (talk) 16:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Linking Wiki articles to library classification

Many Wikipedia articles relate to a single topic which a reader might want to pursue in more depth. Citations and bibliographies are essential within Wikipedia, but only of use to a reader if they have access to the specified books. It would be helpful to direct readers from the online page to the appropriate section of a public library where they would find books on the topic. For instance knot would benefit from a hat note at the start of the article along the lines of:

Libraries may file books on this topic at 623.88 (Dewey) .

I have developed a simple template that will do this and it is currently housed at User:Martin of Sheffield/sandbox. There is a page of test cases at User:Martin of Sheffield/sandbox3. Is this worth pursuing? This is my first template, so I have come here for advice. I did consider publishing this at WP:RFC, but on reflection here seemed a better next step. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 19:46, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

have you looked at template:library resources box? not exactly the same thing, but could possibly be extended to add more than viaf and lccn. Frietjes (talk) 20:30, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The box Frietjes refers to seems to be a good place to incorporate it, also seeing how the link to the library is probably better suited for the further reading or external link sections than as hatnote. By the way, you can call a template in a non-template namespace as well: This sandbox is in the Wikipedia talk namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the {{User sandbox}} template.

Chatham Memorial Synagogue

Chatham Memorial Synagogue
Religion
AffiliationJudaism
DistrictMedway
Year consecrated1869
Statusactive
Location
LocationTQ 75113 67905
CountryUK
WikiProject Templates is located in Kent
WikiProject Templates
Shown within Kent
Geographic coordinates51°23′00″N 0°30′54″E / 51.3832°N 0.5151°E / 51.3832; 0.5151
Direction of façadeNorth
Listed Building – Grade II*
Designated2 December 1985
Reference no.1086467
Website
https://www.chathamshul.org.uk/

Chatham Memorial Synagogue is a Grade II* listed building in Chatham, Kent. The Memorial Synagogue is on the site of an earlier synagogue.

Earlier synagogues

It is possible that the site originated as a Jewish burial ground c. 1700 before the first synagogue was built.[1] The earliest readable gravestone dates from around 1790 but some of the graves are clearly older than that. A half stone dated 1747 is stored in the Rochester Guildhall Museum having been recovered from the foundations of an old theatre.[1] Little is known about the first synagogue on the site. The site of the synagogue along with an earlier building was purchased in 1750 "for the purpose of making a synagogue of the Jews".[1] Some time between 1770 and 1780 this old building was demolished and a purpose-built synagogue erected. A lease of 1780 records "lately rebuilt and is now a Jew Synagogue".[2] This synagogue was of Polish timber and brick.[1] In 1847 the building was described as being "a small building ... about one hundred years old, with a clock, visible from the High Street, noteworthy for having a face with Hebrew characters".[1] The 1866 Ordnance Survey 1:500 map shows this synagogue occupying the northern half of the present burial ground.

Memorial Synagogue

Built in memory of Lazarus Simon Magnus.

See also

Notes

References

  1. ^ a b c d e Lancaster 2010.
  2. ^ Fridman 2015.

Bibliography

This page will be placed in the following categories if it is moved to the article namespace.
Categories:

CRwikiCA talk 20:59, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's what I did, but I subst'ed the original {{User:Martin of Sheffield/sandbox|Dewey=623.88}} to ensure it didn't get lost. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:10, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I hadn't, that is why I came here for advice. :-) Having now had a quick look at it I don't think they are attempting to do the same thing; the box is linking to online books whilst I'm suggesting an aid to further research in a "dead tree" library. I'm also not too sure about the use of a box, it might clash with existing infoboxes. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:05, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
it goes in the external link section, so I don't see it conflicting with the infobox. the second link in the 'library resources box' is link to your local library, not to an online book. fundamentally, this sort of information is an external link, whether it is an actual hyperlink, or a pointer to where to look in your local library. Frietjes (talk) 21:08, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That is a very good point for both a single entry or the box. I shall think about it overnight (I'm on UK time). Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:14, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
and, by the way, there are also inline versions like {{Library resources about}}. Frietjes (talk) 21:48, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not all libraries which use Dewey use it in the same way. For example, Oxfordshire County Libraries place most railway books in either of two main classifications - 385 Railroad transportation or 625 Engineering of railroads and roads. The distinction isn't always clear, and the next public library to the south-east, that at Reading, Berkshire, avoids the issue by putting them all in 625. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:50, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've had a play with {{Library resources about}} which I assume is similar to template:library resources box. The former relies on libraries being available online, and for the UK it is only a selection of major university libraries and a few libraries of international standing. It doesn't list my local branch library "down the road". Perhaps I should add here something I wrote to another editor: "I have a vision of walking into my local public library sitting down at a computer and looking up Wikipedia for a subject, say model steam locomotives, and after reading online being able to walk straight to the shelves at 625.19 and browse the stock". Redrose, you are quite correct about libraries interpretations. DDC has always been a guide, not a straitjacket. However since 385 lies within "Commerce, communications, transportation" whereas 625 is "Engineering and allied operations", I would suggest the division is clear, even if books stray between the two. Perhaps education is the answer! Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:52, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
there is also the {{worldcat}} series of templates, which probably also rely on the libraries indices being online. Frietjes (talk) 23:05, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
See Wikipedia:Forward to Libraries for the project that is behind the {Library resources ..} templates (Check out the box at Benjamin_Franklin#External_links for example)
See Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library for a different wikiproject, that has a large number of diverse and intriguing activities under its umbrella. –Quiddity (talk) 02:43, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for not getting back earlier; real life got in the way! Quiddity, thanks for the heads up on those, the Library project had already recruited me. One of the reasons I signed up was the involvement of OCLC. I had earlier, in a reply to User:Ocaasi on my talk page, wondered about OCLC's attitude to copyright. The thing that concerns me about the templates that lead to a local library is that they don't, for most of the world. US public libraries seem to be well represented as are the major national libraries and some universities around the world. This may be of help to researchers such as Wiki editors, but is of limited help to ordinary readers. See the vision in my post of 22:52, 11 September 2013 (UTC). I'm always concerned about WP:RF; towards the end it states "a good theoretical audience are high school and college students". Such an audience would not have access to the national libraries and (for the high school students) university libraries, whereas pointing them to the correct section of the village or town library may assist them.
I believe the template I've developed does something different to the other templates, and I hope it might be of use. The question then is (a) is it worth proceeding with and (b) what is the best course of action? Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 20:30, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@Martin of Sheffield: Note that "Forward to Libraries" (FtL) is not connected to "The Wikipedia Library" (TWL) - they're totally distinct endeavours.
FTL was initially discussed at this WP:VPR RfC thread, wherein I suggested that all the libraries listed in Wikipedia:Book sources should be added into the FtL tool (the author gave an insightful reply there). You might be interested in helping the author of the FtL tool track down the information he needs to add additional regional libraries.
Regarding adding specific Dewey numbers, I wonder if adding them at WikiData might be better? Then the info could be pulled from there, into (an infobox, or the {Library resources ..} templates, plus into other languages/projects (do any/many other languages use the Dewey system?)). I'd suggest starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Libraries to collate and confirm all the background info, and then bring a concise proposal to wikidata:Wikidata:Project chat. (Disclaimer: I'm not a wikidata regular, so am not sure if they'd even be receptive to the idea). HTH. –Quiddity (talk) 20:59, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Illegal, I think. I'm not a lawyer and I'm not up to date, but I recall that the Dewey system is under copyright and is freely licensed to libraries but not to most other potential users and this proposal essentially would classify Wikipedia articles into the Dewey system. That may require paying fees. The U.S. Library of Congress numbering system may be more freely usable and is also more flexible for modern subjects but fewer public libraries use it and converting from one into the other is not easy. It may be more feasible to use the Library of Congress Subject Headings (LCSH) system, as I think most public libraries use that even for books classified under Dewey and book publishers often list a few subject headings on the copyright pages. If this template design goes forward (it appears to have utility although I haven't compared the alternative/s mentioned), being able to list more than one number or subject heading would be useful. Nick Levinson (talk) 17:57, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The dewey.info pages I linked above are licensed CC-BY-NC-ND 3.0 --Redrose64 (talk) 18:55, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nick, OCLC are already involved in the library project, though to what extent I don't know. Does copyright subsist in the schedules or in the generated number? To take a concrete example; if I scanned my copy of Abridged and put it on the web, then that would clearly be in breach of copyright. If I merely told you to look for "The Diary of Ralph Josselyn" at 942.06 is that a copyright infringement? Turning now to alternative schema; I coded the template to accept Dewey as the default, but up to three schema are accepted: {{User:Martin of Sheffield/sandbox|UDC=123.4.567|LCC=987.654|Dewey=123.456}} -> This sandbox is in the Wikipedia talk namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the {{User sandbox}} template.

Chatham Memorial Synagogue

Chatham Memorial Synagogue
Religion
AffiliationJudaism
DistrictMedway
Year consecrated1869
Statusactive
Location
LocationTQ 75113 67905
CountryUK
WikiProject Templates is located in Kent
WikiProject Templates
Shown within Kent
Geographic coordinates51°23′00″N 0°30′54″E / 51.3832°N 0.5151°E / 51.3832; 0.5151
Direction of façadeNorth
Listed Building – Grade II*
Designated2 December 1985
Reference no.1086467
Website
https://www.chathamshul.org.uk/

Chatham Memorial Synagogue is a Grade II* listed building in Chatham, Kent. The Memorial Synagogue is on the site of an earlier synagogue.

Earlier synagogues

It is possible that the site originated as a Jewish burial ground c. 1700 before the first synagogue was built.[1] The earliest readable gravestone dates from around 1790 but some of the graves are clearly older than that. A half stone dated 1747 is stored in the Rochester Guildhall Museum having been recovered from the foundations of an old theatre.[1] Little is known about the first synagogue on the site. The site of the synagogue along with an earlier building was purchased in 1750 "for the purpose of making a synagogue of the Jews".[1] Some time between 1770 and 1780 this old building was demolished and a purpose-built synagogue erected. A lease of 1780 records "lately rebuilt and is now a Jew Synagogue".[2] This synagogue was of Polish timber and brick.[1] In 1847 the building was described as being "a small building ... about one hundred years old, with a clock, visible from the High Street, noteworthy for having a face with Hebrew characters".[1] The 1866 Ordnance Survey 1:500 map shows this synagogue occupying the northern half of the present burial ground.

Memorial Synagogue

Built in memory of Lazarus Simon Magnus.

See also

Notes

References

  1. ^ a b c d e Lancaster 2010.
  2. ^ Fridman 2015.

Bibliography

This page will be placed in the following categories if it is moved to the article namespace.
Categories:

LCSH is ideal for computerised lookup, but of no use for browsing. If a reader has to turn to automated indices to locate books in the library, then the whole point of templates is negated and may as well be abandoned. There may be a geographic distinction here, but I cannot recall ever seeing LCSH displayed in a public library except where it coincides with the headwords of the Dewey divisions. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 20:06, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That license (the one cited by Redrose64) is limited to noncommercial use and I think Wikipedia requires that commercial use be permitted for anything uploaded, including edits. The dewey.info home page and its pages linked above do not make clear to me that the license is for more than the pages citing it. Applying the Dewey classification to other works may be beyond that license. My understanding of copyright law in general is that a numbering method is copyrightable (a similar problem arose, I think, between Lexis and West Publishing a few decades ago when Lexis used West's widely-known volume-and-page numbering system to identify court opinions in Lexis' proprietary database and West won on infringement), so if I assign Dewey numbers to various Web pages (such as Wikipedia articles) so you can find them by Dewey number then legal permission is probably needed (and has been granted to some users). (Merely discussing several numbers for their (de)merits may not be infringing and the copyright holder telling us about them is not infringing.) The OCLC page on licensing, although speaking of business uses and trademarks, suggests permission may be needed but perhaps they won't charge the Wikimedia Foundation as long as WMF asks first. If OCLC is being helpful in designing a Wikipedia template, that may not be a grant of permission, which has to be explicit.
I suppose subject terms could be linked in a way that supports direct entry into a library catalogue for searching, but that may be complicated for Wikipedia to implement. It may depend on a library, WorldCat, or some such offering an interface allowing automated entry of subjects.
Even if one scheme is used in the template, allowing several entries may be helpful, as one Wikipedia article may substantially overlap several subjects or numbers.
I don't know which subject scheme is used in libraries that use a given numbering; I assumed it's the same as the numbering but I guess it could differ or even that libraries could customize a few subject entries.
Nick Levinson (talk) 21:23, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

draft template param displaying pipe 2 ways

I'm drafting a template with a parameter that takes a manually-entered string as a value. If the string includes "{{!}}", the rendering depends on whether it is in a URL or not. If it is, the rendering is as "%7C"; but if is not in a URL, the rendering is as "|". In a test, I found that a URL (a different one) does not necessarily resolve percent-encoding to the unencoded form so the intended address can be reached (tested by percent-encoding either the dot before "com" or a letter); the Internet service provider was unable to determine what destination I wanted and sent me some advertising instead. How can I make the parameter display the literal result of the "{{!}}" template even if embedded in a URL, just as happens when there's a string without a URL? Although a pipe is not common in a URL, I think it is permitted. (I asked about the problem at Help talk:Template and at Wikipedia:Help desk but there's no answer on point.) Nick Levinson (talk) 18:02, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The literal pipe character is not valid in a URL (see rfc:3986), although it may be represented as %7C. There are no templates - not even {{cite web}} - where the literal pipe character is anything other than a separator between parameters. Therefore, the pipe character cannot form part of a URL when that URL is a parameter's value. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:06, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Okay; I guess I'll just say something about inappropriate characters in the doc. It appears that RFC 3986 limits URIs (thus URLs) to certain characters and the literal pipe isn't one of them. However, there probably are a bunch of URLs using unencoded pipes and there is or was a philosophy (at least regarding emails) that senders should be strictly compliant but that receivers should be generous, and that has led to many noncompliant transmissions being accepted often enough to cause recipients to be blamed when they refuse something for noncompliance. But this case sounds too complicated for programming between the template and MediaWiki levels, so the doc will have to do. Nick Levinson (talk) 21:31, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Transliteration warning boxes

See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 September 23 where 3 of these templates are up for deletion -- 70.24.249.39 (talk) 05:45, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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