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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The consensus is that this is essentially promotion for a cause. DGG ( talk ) 04:38, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dean Andrew Kantis

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Non-notable businessman and "anti-LASIK activist". Kantis has made a lot of noise about his poor LASIK surgery outcome, but the sourcing of this article is mostly primary (his own website, references to his own website on other websites, etc). What material there is in reliable sources is passing mention at best. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:33, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - a problematic article. To the extent that he is noted, it is him talking about his LASIK complications... but the sourcing on even his LASIK complications is he himself. Normally, we would consider a person an WP:RS on the basics of their own health, but as he appears to have been in litigation regarding those complications, that would make them contentious and thus calling for a more reliable source. --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:12, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:58, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:58, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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...After a quick review of said page (LASIK), I did not go through each reference, but it seems that there is plenty of discussion about the potential risks. I think this page (Dean Andrew Kantis) is a WP:COATRACK, it's not about the individual as much as a place to badmouth this surgical technique in a controlled environment away from the other side of the argument. Lesion (talk) 19:21, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect is unnecessary in this case. If they are not notable then they are not notable. Lesion (talk) 22:40, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:58, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:09, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I can't find any reliable sources other than a couple that quote Kantis on the topic of laser eye surgery. These fall way short of what is needed for an article about any person. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:56, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is an anti-Lasik coatrack at best, everything related to his advocacy is sourced to himself, we are not here to champion great causes. The notability just isn't there. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 00:56, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is a self-serving, self-written article by somebody who is notable only to himself. Who really cares where he went on his honeymoon and that as a child he liked beach volleyball??? I also question his notability when half of the introductory paragraph about him is about his Lasik mishap. I came across this article because he is trolling on freelance writer sites for someone to spread more vitriol on the Lasik site and to save his Wiki page. He is not Wiki material and his article should be deleted. On a lighter note - I had Lasik seven years ago and I couldn't be happier. Sorry that this gentleman had an adverse reaction to it but Wikipedia is not the forum for this vendetta.Jmasiulewicz (talk)
  • Rounding up a flash mob to try and save this bio article is taking conflict of interest to a new level. This is ban-worthy COI quite frankly, and easily qualifies for posting on the COI noticeboard. I therefore changed my "vote" to a strong delete. Also, more than one editor has raised concerns that the LASIK page itself gives undue weight to opponents to the procedure. Let's present the topic as an encyclopedia and not have a page which serves as a medium to people who shout the loudest. Lesion (talk) 22:40, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello to all. My name is Dean Andrew Kantis. First, if LASIK is so safe, why is there so much controversy that has surrounded it since inception? David Muller ( Avedro's Collagen Cross Linking's CEO) CEO of the infamous Summit Technologies (who created and marketed LASIK, financed Ted Kennedy's re-election campaigns, how their lasers caused permanent corneal weakening, instability, and dry eye disease. David Muller, CEO of Summit Technologies, investigated in the America Investigates Series shown here: 

Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXNN65PF_HA   (10 minutes)
Part Two:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9THraSVkOs   (10 minutes)
Part Three:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_0hvMJsQyA    (10 minutes)
Part Four:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEVVXeJVL3U   (10 minutes)
Part Five:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOZS_eWRkdU  (5 minutes)
Part Six:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhSWNuXrYPg (10 minutes)
Part Seven:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pTZ7Ffw9EE (10 minutes)

Second, please hold off your (consensus) vote until you see the Dr. Oz LASIK Warning that comes out in 2 days, on 10/3/13 at 3pm central time as explained here: (this is as current of news as it gets right?) http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/undercover-lasik-surgery-investigation . Second, my apologies for trying to upload a few pictures of the logos for each of my causes. As I surf through Wikipedia, I see pictures on most pages, so I'm not sure I understand why my pictures are "off limits." But no problem. Please google my name and YouTube my name. There are hundreds if not thousands of credible references about me and my anti-LASIK causes that are backed by solid facts and scientific studies. In fact, I was the one who got Dr. Morris Waxler out in Oct. 2009, he's the ex chief of medical devices that gave the FDA Approval for LASIK surgery, and is now speaking out against LASIK saying he was "tricked and deceived" and that the LASIK industry "cooked the safety studies" to get it through the FDA approval process. (This is a medical conspiracy and people who did it need to be arrested). In fact, here's the proof on a conference call with Morris when he said "WE FUCKED UP" approving LASIK at 18:30 into it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9nXI2QNat8 . Since, he's been on MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CNN, and CBS to name just a few media venues, explaining this. His petition explained this and was submitted on Jan. 6th, 2011 to the FDA. He has not had a reply from his own FDA to date, and he won't because they too are in on it and were placed in high positions of power by the industry to watch over profits, etc. Here's his petition calling for a Criminal Investigation: http://lifeafterlasik.com/LASIK%20Morris%20FDA%20Petition%20Jan%206%202011.pdf .

Here's an 81 minute powerpoint that Dr. Waxler presented in front of 3,000 Optometrists to prevent them from referring patients to get LASIK so they understand the known long-term damages: http://www.odwire.org/forum/content/175-The-Evidence-LASIK-Makes-Healthy-Eyes-Sick?utm_source=Copy+of+New+LASIK+Forum+Back+Online&utm_campaign=Life+After+Lasik&utm_medium=email

I'm so dedicated to protecting you and your families from harm, that I produced a mini-film, "In The Blink of An Eye...A LASIK PUBLIC HEALTH ADVISORY," to explain all of this so that you would be spared from this incurable, dry eye inducing, not needed surgery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TtbxM-jUXA .

I've been interviewed over and over on tv about LASIK and how the industry lies, shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXzqwzQo0Oc . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQD3b-cFZdA . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BUFkWdtVP0 .

Here's my petition filed on Jan. 5th, 2007: FDA-2007-P-0116 Dean Andrew Kantis Take steps to insure the safety of Americans regarding the misuses of Lasik 01/05/07 I was sued by my own LASIK doctor for speaking the truth about his 60 LASIK lawsuits and for warning the public: http://www.dmlp.org/threats/st-george-corrective-vision-v-kantis . I could go on and on and on, but I think you get the points. My name and what I have done for FREE to expose the LASIK industry is invaluable.

My petition to the FDA was submitted on Jan. 4th, 2007, which prompted the "EMERGENCY LASIK OPHTHALMIC DEVICE PANEL DISCUSSION" in Wash, DC on April 25th,, 2008 where 20 of us paid to go to DC and speak in front of the FDA and the industry's paid ASCRS forum, in order to beg them to help us, and other victims, and to redact the FDA LASIK APPROVAL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTAHDLAwKkw .

If you had a good LASIK outcome, hurray! But please don't think that even after 3, 5, 10 years that you're in the clear. This is exactly what Dr. Waxler and Dr. Oz will be covering on his show in 2 days! People do not realize that your eyes get drier each year from this procedure touted as "safe and effective and FDA Approved." Please be open minded, thank you.

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