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VFD Result

The result of the VFD can be found here: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Exsurge Domine -- AllyUnion (talk) 02:02, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== We need a decent overview of the background to this bull, to its reception and a summary of its contents. It was the first Papal condemnation of Luther and Lutherans. --CTSWyneken^(talk) 00:21, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who actually wrote it?

Was Leo X enough of a theologian to compose this text by himself? If not, who else actually wrote it? -- 85.177.186.9 (talk) 23:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

contents?

does anyone know what the 41 things were? Gailim (talk) 04:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

errors ?

" ...it did specifically demand that Luther retract 41 errors " ooh, so these were errors by whose standards? 77.2.76.128 (talk) 20:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Other condemnations represent new papal interventions on matters that had been freely disputed among Catholic scholars and theologians before that time. For example, Luther's denial of free will after the Fall is censured even though the church father Augustine had taught the same view.[22]"

The Wiki article on Augustine even affirms that his view was in fact endorsed by the catholic church. From his work, City of God, Book 5, "we assert both that God knows all things before they come to pass, and that we do by our free will whatsoever we know and feel to be done by us only because we will it." (The City of God, St. Augustine of Hippo, Translated by Marcus Dods, Hendrickson Publishers, Peabody MA, page 138.)

Therefore, I should delete these sentences entirely for lack of substantial documentation. The citation provided does not a primary source and offers no source of information itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joecym08 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"The censure of certain theological propositions in this bull continues to be a source of controversy. For example, proposition #33 censured by this bull states "It is contrary to the will of the Spirit that heretics be burned."[50] Pope Leo X's condemnation of this proposition conflicts with more recent Catholic teaching, particularly in regards to the declaration of Vatican II that "the human person has a right to religious freedom" and that "religious freedom in turn ... has to do with immunity from coercion in civil society."[51] This tension between these two authoritative sources of Catholic teaching has sparked a contemporary debate on papal infallibility."

This paragraph doesn't make sense. Pope Leo X's position that heretics should not be burned is exactly what Vatican II affirms. Did I miss something here? The pope said "It is contrary to the will of the Spirit that heretics be burned," not Luther! Furthermore, how is this a source of controversy? Is there a reference to the debate elsewhere? Here there is only the agreement of two statements.

Joecym08 (talk) 01:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]