Talk:Bob Beers (politician, born 1959)

Major contributor with conflict warning confession

Yes, I am the fellow whom this article is about. I welcome objective clean-up, but have lately been having to clean-up "adjustments" to the article by partisan operatives who are far too clever to be obvious about their conflicts. Let me be very obvious about mine. Life would be easier if I didn't have a Wikipedia article about me which my partisan opponents can freely manipulate, and I am attempting to petition the admins to protect the article to prevent this. In the meantime, it is not my style to disguise my identity, or hire others to do it under a cloak.Bob Beers 00:37, 16 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbeers (talk • contribs)

Page rename/move request

I had moved this page to Robert T. Beers back in December to create a disambiguation page for Bob Beers. I was recently contacted by the subject of the article with a request to move it back to Bob Beers since he has never answered to the name Robert.. Since we need the DAB page, I can't move it to Bob Beers, and since there are two Bob Beers who are Nevada politicians, Bob Beers (politician) is out.. One suggestion was Bob Beers (CPA) since that was his career before politics and he is still a CPA in addition to being a politician. Others include Bob T. Beers, Bob Beers (Nevada Senator), although the latter could eventually require disambiguation.. are there any other suggestions/preferences? --Versageek 14:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Notability

Is this person really that notable to have an article?71.108.130.79 (talk) 09:00, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Requesting protection but not sure how to achieve it.

15 Aug 2014 - A minor "editing war" has arisen with a partisan editor creating increased ambiguity on this page. An entry has been created on the Biographies of Living Persons noticeboard [1] to petition administrators to either lock or remove altogether this Wikipedia entry about me. 21:11, 15 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by bobbeers (talk • contribs)

Mr. Beers, please familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's policies on assuming good faith and editing with a conflict of interest. I am not a "partisan editor" so please do not go throwing around things like that just because someone moves your page.

The article should be at Bob Beers (Nevada politician) or Bob Beers (politician). There is no ambiguity as the "other Bob Beers" doesn't have a Wikipedia article. Articles that need disambiguating are not listed according to the person's current job. So, for example, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is at Scott Walker (politician) and not Scott Walker (Governor). Likewise, Chris Murphy (politician), John Walsh (U.S. politician), Jack Reed (politician), Tim Johnson (South Dakota politician), Mike Lee (U.S. politician) and Ron Johnson (U.S. politician). As for what Harry Reid's page says, that is not relevant to this article.

Articles aren't moved around based on the person's job. If he stays on the city council he should still be at Bob Beers (politician), if he gets voted out of office, still at Bob Beers (politician) and if he's elected to some other office, he should still be at Bob Beers (politician). The article wouldn't be moved to Bob Beers (CPA) or Bob Beers (State Senator). Tiller54 (talk) 00:44, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

We disagree, anon fellow with the nom de plum Tiller54. The construct of an opponent's Wikipedia entry is very pertinent to the construct of mine. And in Nevada, "politician" is not a career, as evidenced by my exit from poliics in 2008 into a completely non-political life, for three years anyway. Titling me "Las Vegas City Councilman" (if you must subtitle me at all) is much more accurate than "Nevada Politician." Especially because two people with my name have held elected office in this state.

So, if consensus cannot be reached, is the article left as it was prior to your "objective" edits? Or perhaps the solution is to move my article to merely "Bob Beers", the same as Harry's?Bob Beers 00:54, 16 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbeers (talk • contribs)

Two more things - tossing in the link to the "Inappropriate uses of alternative accounts" heading under "Sock Puppetry" shows a masterful command of irony in editing, given that I am transparent and you are not.

Second, you are factually incorrect, again, with your statement that the second Bob Beers holding elective office in Nevada does not have a Wikipedia account. I did not include that in my last missive as I merely believed it to be true, and did not know it factually. His article is linked from the disambiguation page.Bob Beers 00:59, 16 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbeers (talk • contribs)

One more thing - please site your Wikipedia policy authority for your statement "Articles aren't moved around based on the person's job." I might buy it if articles weren't titled with people's job, but mine has been, by folks like you. Or, perhaps, there should be a Wikipedia policy dictating at what level of political activity Living Persons should be included or excluded from Wikipedia, and what should be included for those who warrant an article. Frankly, allowing paid staffers of campaigns and politicians to edit Wikipedia under opaque usernames ought not to be allowed, but it's already hard enough policing articles, much less policing volunteer editors.Bob Beers 01:09, 16 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbeers (talk • contribs)

It is not "more accurate". The article would not have been titled "State Assemblyman" from 1998 to 2004 and then "State Senator" from 2004 to 2008 and then "CPA" from then until 2012. Article titles are consistent, not moved around whenever the person loses or wins an election, just like the examples I listed above are all at simply "politician". The other Bob Beers is at Bob L. Beers, which means that there is no overlap there. All that's needed is a note about which is which at the top of the article.

The link should have been to OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, not WP:OTHERSTUFF, or indeed WP:STUFF.

The policy on article titles is at WP:Article titles, where it states "Article titles should be recognizable, concise, natural, precise, and consistent." Thus, moving an article's title around based on what political office he or she holds violates that policy. As does moving it to "Bob Beers (CPA)" as the article's notability does not come from his being a CPA but from his being a notable politician.

As to your question on notability of politicians, you're looking for this. Tiller54 (talk) 01:25, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I believe listing my current job in my title is more specific and useful than listing me as "Nevada Politician", which is as temporary and out of compliance with "WP:Article titles" than the change you've implemented and re-implemented. Perhaps, then, the compromise position is to move the disambiguity page to "Bob Beers (disambiguity)" and my article to just "Bob Beers"? Or move my article to just Robert 'Bob' Beers with no attempt to label what I do?Bob Beers 01:39, 16 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbeers (talk • contribs)

You are notable, Bobbeers for being elected by the voters to three significant political offices, not for anything else. Though you may not like the label "politician", that is the neutral description for what makes you notable enough for an encyclopedia article. Because you are clearly notable, I will oppose on policy grounds any effort to delete this article. As for protecting it, that would be appropriate if there was persistent vandalism. Edits you do not like are not vandalism. We simply do not change article titles as people enter or leave various political offices. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:30, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, Cullen. Thus, no job title should be associated with the name of the topic that discusses me. That sounds like the reasonable compromise sought by this process. Who can make that happen?Bob Beers 03:29, 16 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbeers (talk • contribs)

Great edits, Cullen. Many of the citations you request are in the form of physical certificates in my possession. What do you suggest would be appropriate ways to turn them into Wikipedia-acceptable "evidence"?Bob Beers 03:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)