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Browns and the Cardinals have never been the same club

In the first paragraph it states that the Cardinals were originally the "Browns". The Browns were originally in Milwaukee, and moved to St. Louis around 1901 and played in the American League until moving to Baltimore, to become the Orioles, in 1953. The only thing the two clubs had in common was the city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.198.65.153 (talk) 00:36, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There were TWO teams by the name of "Browns" in St. Louis history. The first was the Brown Stockings of the American Association, which formed in St. Louis and eventually joined the National League and evolved through several name changes into the Cardinals. They are NOT the same as the Browns that arrived later from Milwaukee and then moved to Baltimore. Ambaryer (talk) 11:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you want a comment in the article that the team which was the AA's Brown Stockings is not to be confused with the American League team which eventually moved to Baltimore. A similar situation occurred in the early history of the U.S.: the political party aligned with Thomas Jefferson was called Democratic-Republican, or Republican for short, and I have **seen** a comment in a history book that it is not to be confused with today's Republican party. OK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 17:21, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, Jefferson's party eventually evolved into the Democratic party, while the modern day Republican party came into existence just a few years before the election of Abraham Lincoln. (They also essentially switched ideologies about 80 years ago, but that's another argument for another time.) CaptHayfever (talk) 16:29, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 29 October 2013

This turned up in a photo caption:

"Charles Comiskey, circa 1910, guided the Browns to four American Association titles."

Please insert "shown here" just before "circa 1910", because we are referring to the date of the photo, not to when he guided the Browns to those 4 AA titles.

128.63.16.20 (talk) 17:15, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 18:18, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please make small edits to the specific list below because some of the info is incorrect.

1. Within the "St. Louis Cardinals" right sidebar, take out the second "42" within the "Retired Numbers" section

2. Within the "Bill DeWitt Group and La Russa (1990 - present)," please change the 1995 to 1996 within the sentence "After Gussie Busch died in 1989, the brewery took control, hired Joe Torre to manage late in 1990, then sold the team to an investment group led by WIlliam DeWitt, Jr. in 1995."

3. Please change the last sentence in the first paragraph within the "Bill DeWitt Group and La Russa (1990 - present)" section to "In 2006," in place of "Two years later." Also had "beating Detroit in 5 games" after the last part of the last sentence in the first paragraph stating "they won the World Series."

4. Within the "Bill DeWitt Group and La Russa (1990 - present)" section, please change the "with" in the last sentence of the second paragraph to "after."

5. Within the "Ballpark" section, please change the "$365" to "$411" within the first paragraph.

6. Within the "Ballpark" section, in the last paragraph please change the sentence "The attendance record for any sporting even is 48,263, in a 2013 Association Football (soccer) friendly match between Chelsea F.C, made possible by more space available in a soccer match than in a baseball game," to "The attendance record for any sporting even is 48,263, in a 2013 Association Football (soccer) friendly match between Chelsea F.C, made possible by on field seating."

7. Within the "Executives and club officials" section, please change the first sentence to "An investment group led by William DeWitt, Jr., who owns the St. Louis Cardinals and bought the team from Anheuser-Busch (AB) in 1996."

8. Within the "Executives and Club Officials" section in the second paragraph, please remove "Southwest Bank's Drew Baur, Hanser and" within the second sentence. Also change "Baur" within the next couple of sentences to "DeWitt."

9. Within the "Executives and Club Officials" section in the third paragraph, remove the "Baur" within the first sentence and take out the last sentence of "However, after reabsorbing that stake into the remainder of the group, they decided to make it available to new investors in 2010. Amid later allegations that the Cardinals owed the city profit shares, DeWitt revealed that their profitability had not reached the threshold to trigger that obligation."

10. Within the "Recent annual financial records" section, please remove "Baur" within the third sentence and add "group" after "DeWitt" within the third sentence.

11. Within the "Franchise Principals" section, remove "Owner and Vice Chairman: Fredrick O.Hanser" and "Owner: Klingaman Group" and add "Director of G.C: Whittle." CardsPR2 (talk) 18:12, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done:

1. The first 42 links to Bruce Sutter, the second to Jackie Robinson. I admit it looks strange, but it's better to keep them distinct.
2. The source says "announced today that it has agreed" and is dated 1995. Need a better source if we are to change it.
3. I've done the first part. Need source for the second part.
4. "to retire after a title" makes no sense. Am I looking at the place you meant?
5. The source (FN99) states 365M.
6. Yes, it did need copy editing. I've put "made possible by providing seats in places that would be unavailable during a baseball game", which is a bit closer to what the source says.
7. I've made the change you want, but in slightly different wording to make it a complete sentence.
8-11. I haven't done these at the moment, because I think that may remove some of the story. For example, this mentions both Hanser and Baur. Baur died in 2011, but that is no reason to write him out of the story altogether. If you wish, fell free to create a new edit request with more details and (above all) reliable sources. --Stfg (talk) 21:18, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Inconsistencies

This article claims that the St. Louis Cardinals won their division in 2001 (co-champions), yet the Boston Red Sox aren't listed as being co-champs of their division in 2005 and the Los Angeles Dodgers aren't listed as being co-champs of their division in 2006. To be consistent, which article should be changed: this one or the Red Sox and Dodgers articles?24.6.40.199 (talk) 09:02, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you go to mlb.com/stl/history and then click on "Year by Year Results," (mlb.com/stl/history/year_by_year_results.jsp)it states that the Cardinals finished in second place in 2001. Therefore, I'm taking 2001 off the list of division championships. The Cardinals were co-champs, but only one team can actually win a division. 24.6.40.199 (talk) 09:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop reverting this. The MLB site is official; the HOF website is not. It says that they finished second, which has nothing to do with playoff seeding. Second is where they finished in the division. There is no official thing called a "co-championship." It's an unofficial title that recognizes that the Cardinals finished with the same record as the Astros, but the Astros won the division. The 2005 Red Sox and 2006 Dodgers are not recognized as division champs even though also finished tied for first place. This issue is done.24.6.40.199 (talk) 00:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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