User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise

Mount Athos Languages

Hi, I see you have removed the languages from the infobox about Mount Athos. These languages are used in e liturgy (and is spoken) in the following Monasteries:

Russian language is the liturgical language in the Agiou Panteleimonos monastery

Serbian language is the liturgical language in the Hilandar monastery.

I confirm these 2 languages are indeed used officially in these 2 monasteries! Been there myself. I don't have proof to present you as documented fact as people don't get anything when visiting the monasteries.

But I can't confirm that the Bulgarian language is used in the Zograf Monastery because I haven't been there myself. However, somebody listed Mount Athos under the list of entities that officially are using the Bulgarian language, alongside Bulgaria and European Union... You can find Mount Athos listed here: Bulgarian language.

Also, aside from Bulgarian language's page, I noticed that the Mound Mount Athos is listed in these pages too: Serbian language, Romanian language, Russian language. That is why I updated the M.A. page, to be in accordance with the other pages.

Note that Mount Athos does not have its own constitution, nor the Greek constitution binds it. Also, the EU laws and norms do not apply here. Women are prohibited and only monks and male workers, including Fire Department are permitted to visit it. Monks of all ethnicities can live here for infinite days, even withjout EU passports. Liturgy is done by tradition in Greek at Greek monasteries, and in other languages in monasteries of other countries.

I couldn't remove languages from into box if they are really recognised (as the corresponding pages about these languages claim), but what I for sure know is, it is a fact that the monasteries have their own traditions, as they are independent from each other, free to conduct liturgy in their native languages. -AuditoreEzio (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Let's keep this on the article talk page please. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:58, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My bad,had to reset android cache to see the changes in article talk page. I ll copy paste my response to the talk page. My apologies, future, feel free to clean this message.-AuditoreEzio (talk) 20:13, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Deletion caused problems

Future Perfect, you renamed Surena Soren Suren without redirect, but in the process, broke at least 10 redirects to that title. I went with the simplest solution to this, which was to restore the redirect and tag it as {{R from incorrect name}}. If you want to re-delete, please fix all incoming links first. Thanks, Oiyarbepsy (talk) 17:22, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, thanks, seems I didn't think of the fact that the redirect bots wouldn't be able to fix the redirects back to the old title when I speedied the erroneous one. Thanks for flagging that up. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Links should be fixed now, so I guess there's no objection to a re-deletion, is there? You said there were also "off-wiki" links to that target, but what makes you think so? It had only existed for a few hours at the time I deleted it (and the interwiki database did pick up the move back to the old title properly) Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:31, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, I thought it had been around longer. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 21:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Syriac people

Hi FPaS, hope you're doing well. There's a longstanding edit request at Talk:Syriac people#Protected edit request on 11 November 2014, where a few new editors would like the present redirect at Syriac people to be turned into an article. After several declines and a sockpuppet investigation, we are at the stage where some of the editors involved have made a draft of their proposed article at Draft:Syriac people. I think the next step should be to send it to deletion review, but before I go and file that, it would be good if you could comment, seeing as you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aramean-Syriac people (back in 2008) and seeing as you protected the redirect. (However, I should warn you that the edit request discussion is long on text and short on policy comprehension.) — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 04:35, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no, not this s**t again. This has been going on for years, and is one of the most hopelessly entrenched sets of ethnic POV crusades I've come across. Is User:Dbachmann around? He was always the most knowledgeable admin in dealing with this mess.

From what I remember from last time I looked, all these "Syriac", "Syrian", "Assyrian", "Chaldaean" or "Aramaean" groups are not separate ethnicities, but different ideological positions regarding the identity of one single group. Ideological factions within this group's diaspora community in the west, which have been at each other's throats for years, but which, crucially, all claim to represent the same original set of local minority populations in the Middle East as theirs. As such, these articles are clearly all classic POV forks of each other. Just nuke everything and indef any account engaging in these shenanigans on sight. (That said, at a brief glance it seems to me that the current target Assyrian people article has also been mangled, probably by members of the opposing pro-"Assyrian" POV team.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:53, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I thought just blocking all the accounts may be excessive, so I went ahead and filed Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 December 19#Syriac people. Although you probably knew that already from the ping. Sorry for the extra drama! — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 07:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]