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Bhagavan

Hi Joshua. That quote is misleading and therefore incorrect. I spotted it yesterday and couldn't figure it out. It contradicts everything else that Bhagavan says. Upon arriving in Arunachala he didn't even know what the concepts of Advaita, Dvaita, and all the other technical terms were. He had no intellectual knowledge of them and he says that on numerous occasions. In fact, it's even cited in other parts of the wikipedia article. Just read the Acquaintance with Hindu Scriptures section. It's impossible that he himself had these questions crop up when he didn't know what these things were nor had any personal need to put his experience into words. That was for other people. Please unrevert your revert. I emailed David Godman about it, to double check, when I saw it, because it was so odd. Here is what he had to say about it in an email to me. He sources a different book:

It's from G. V. Subbaramayya's book, Sri Ramana Reminsicences. The full quote is:
"The next day Sri Bhagavan made a revealing declaration about Himself. He said, “Even in the beginning I realised that I am not the body. After I came to Arunachala all sorts of questions cropped up whether I am one with the All-pervading Reality or different, whether that Reality is Non-dualism, Dualism or qualified Non-dualism etc. Even the idea ‘I am Brahman’ is only a thought and is not Atma-nishtha (Self-abidance). That one should give up all thought and abide in the Self is the conclusion of all religions. Even Nirvikalpa Samadhi is only a stage in ‘Sadhana’ (practice). It implies going into Samadhi and rising from Samadhi. For me there was no necessity at all to do any Sadhana.”"
Taken out of context it might appear that Bhagavan himself is asking the questions, but he is actually referring to questions that are being posed to him.
Bhagavan never needed or used technical vocabulary to define or explain his experience of himself to himself. He said once that he didn't even know what the word Brahman meant until he read it in a book in Tiruvannamalai. The experience was there, but there was never any desire to express it in words or concepts. It was his visitors who wanted him to express it using terminological frameworks that they had read in books.

If you really wish, I will find other sources that contradict and correct this misquote and then remove it, but it would be simpler just to revert the edit. Best, Bodhadeepika (talk) 05:07, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Copied to Talk:Ramana Maharshi#"Questions cropping up"; to be continued there. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:22, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shiva and Buddha

@JJ: Your History of Shaivism and Shaivism merger proposal reminds me of a resource: Anthony Reid (2015), A History of Southeast Asia: Critical Crossroads, Wiley Blackwell, ISBN 978-1118513002. It has a chapter titled, "Buddha and Shiva below the winds". Discusses how Buddhism and Shaivism co-existed in Java, from about 5th-century to pre-14th and 15th-century. In 15th-century, epidemics (Mongol plague and smallpox killed about half the population), volcanic activity and famines (which killed more) devastated the Indonesian islands, crippled the Buddhist-Shaiva spiritual leadership and above all the State apparatus. This set the stage for military invasions first from Malaya/Tai, followed by Islam.

Years ago I spent a month visiting ancient Java temples. Some of them feature both Buddha and Siwa (Ciwa, Debata Batara Guru) / Uma / Sri / Wisnu / Nandi / etc reliefs and sculpture. The 14th-century Javanese poet Tantular in his poem Sutasoma was already pondering on "differences" and "oneness" between Buddha and Shiva.

The truth of Jina (Buddha) and the truth of Shiva is one; they are indeed different, but they remain one (Bhinneka Tunggal Ika), as there is no duality in Truth.

— Mpu Tantular, Sutasoma, Translated by Santoso 1975, (Anthony Reid @ page 45)

That chapter may be an interesting read for a summary in the Shaivism article, on this influence and interaction of Buddhism and Shaivism in Indonesia. Another resource is Ann Kinney's Worshiping Siva and Buddha: The Temple Art of East Java (with nice pictures). Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:37, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Indian Esoteric Buddhism" by Ronald Davidson and "Saiva Age" by Alexis Sanderson describe the relationship between Buddhism and Saivism in India.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 14:42, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Vic: Thanks. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:46, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mindfulness

Hi Joshua Jonathan! How have you been? Interesting stuff that is at the Mindfulness article. I was actually planning to look into the subject in more detail, but I noticed that the references [35] and [36] are missing (Sharf 2014). Would you mind adding those to the article? :-) Cheers mate! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 19:19, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noticing. It's a typo: 2014 instead of 2000. YTime for bed... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:31, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SPI

Please see WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Pebble101. - Kautilya3 (talk) 15:31, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also noticed the IP-edits. Thanks. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:34, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like a good source for South Asian genetics: Endicott, Phillip; Metspalu, Mait; Kivisild, Toomas (2007), "Genetic evidence on modern human dispersals in South Asia: Y chromose and mitochondrial DNA perspectives", in Michael D. Petraglia; Bridget Allchin (eds.), The Evolution and History of Human Populations in South Asia, Springer, pp. 201–228, ISBN 1-4020-5561-7. - Kautilya3 (talk) 23:22, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pebble101

Thanks. Not sure if you know he edits a lot from 117. range/s. He says it's because he can't login at university. Doug Weller (talk) 10:02, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed. How about the Elam-Dravidian connection? Is it "fringe," jus because it's 'just a theory? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:12, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the dust hasn't settled on that issue yet. The Petraglia-Allchin volume is a good secondary source for these things. See p. 248. - Kautilya3 (talk) 10:36, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Padmasambhava page

Please see Padmasambhava page.VictoriaGrayson^Talk 15:58, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I noticed... Block the page for a week? Sigh... Anyway, I'll look into it, of course, though not right now. Best regards, and don't forget to enjoy the sun, the clouds, the sky and whatever marvels of nature may be around you (serious!!!). Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:05, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notice Board

Hi! I raised my complains about your behavior at the notice board as you suggested:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Joshua_Jonathan_disruptive_editing_on_Ramana_Maharshi.C2.B4s_article

Best, Mauna22 (talk) 16:50, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks for letting me know. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:36, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For the talkpage-stalkers: see Talk:Ramana Maharshi#User Joshua Jonathan´s conduct regarding Ramana Maharshi´s article

Dharmasetu

All sourced to one person. And a quick check shows that there are other povs. Doug Weller (talk) 17:48, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Doug Weller. That's a request to take a look there, I guess? meanwhile, could you take a look at the thread above, including the involved talkpage? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:10, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

JJ HELP

HI JJ did you notice Integral yoga page its a mess !! now even with wrong move without any discussion !! help! Shrikanthv (talk) 08:26, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Shrikanthv! I'm going to take a look right-away! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:54, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'm looking:

What's wrong with the page-move? Should Aurobindo have priority? In that case, just drop a note at Dodger67's talkpage, and discuss this with him. I'll bet that he will take any concerns serious.
The hatnote is correct now, isn't it?

If there are other concerns, please let me know. Best regards, as usual, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:01, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just the Wikignome who helped Joellepearson sort out the article title problem - two different variants of yoga that use the same name. I know nothing about yoga so I'm definitely not the right person to help sort this content dispute. It may be useful to take the discussion to WikiProject Yoga to get multiple opinions from subject specialists. I'm happy to assist with technicalities such as hatnotes, so ping me if you need it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:29, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talk Page

If you find is something wrong with the expression Iddli or any other user used in my talk page, please warn him is his talk page. I cannot and should not erase them from the page due to WP:POLICYYou are getting way too personal here Mauna22 (talk) 11:02, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]