Talk:Kurdish women

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Shouldn't the title be in plural form Kurdish Women? Heja Helweda 03:53, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree, in plural form is more correct.

Diyako Talk + 12:21, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll fix it.

Diyako Talk + 12:29, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

A very meaningless article. a very ridicilous one. I even found no other article like this. Where women have their separate article from men? Wirya 09:21, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Even though a late reply, I will concur with above... Why is this a seperate article, really? Shouldn't it be merged with Kurds (or Kurds in X articles) and/or Kurdish culture etc? Baristarim 05:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I also agree, this article should be merged with "Kurdish people". Timotheos 21:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Disagree with proposal to merge "Kurdish women" with other articles. Kurdish women are trailblazers in the Middle East and there is more than enough material to occupy a specialized page on their history, issues and achievements. Commenter8 (talk) 13:58, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Kurdish Women in Kurdish

Afretí Kurd is a term which is quite problematic for two reasons. 1. Afret is derived from the Quranic/arabic 'Awret and is therefor not a purely kurdish word. 2. the meaning of the original word is approximately: the thing or part of the body which must be covered. A meaning which does not coincide with the traditional kurdish way of life. A better term is therefor "Zhiní Kurd"/"Jinî Kurd" which is purely kurdish and is more neutral in its meaning.

Your etymology isnot correct. According to Professor Jamal Nebez, Afiret is derived from the Greek word Aphrodite.Heja Helweda 06:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I might be wrong, however Jamal Nebez has also been wrong before. For example he claims that the word Gawir means "a follower of Zoroaster", he doesn't even give an explanation to his conclusion. We must remember that Jamal Nebez view of history is nationalromantic. My speculation is that he wants to distance the word from the islamic-arabic and replace its origin to the indoeuropean greek godess. But please elaborate, give me credible evidence on his theory. I'm not saying he is wrong, but he might be wrong and to the sound of it I believe he is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.211.101.88 (talk) 19:36, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Let me just clarify two points here, which make it unnecessary to involve etymology of 'Afret' which is even irrelevant here:

1) the Arabic word 'Awrat' is used already in Kurdish with the same pronouncation and same meaning as used in Arabic.

2)The word jin in Kurdish is used more accurately for married females, while the word Afret is used for females in general. It is also used by feminist groups such as Yeketi Afretani Kurdistan.

And finally the word gawir is the Kurdish variation of Persian gabar and actually it does mean a follower of Zoroaster.

Yet one more thing; the hellenistic or hellenoid words are not uncommon in Kurdish. another example is kouretes (young men); compare it with Kurdish kur.

Sharishirin (talk) 20:02, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Minorsky and Adíle Xan?

Did Minorsky really meat Adíle Xan or is this just a mix-up with Major Ely Banister Soane? I dont know if Minorsky did or didn't but I am sure Soane did so I just want to make sure it's not just a mix-up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.208.209.254 (talk) 20:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

It is not a mix-up. Minorsky did meet Lady Adela (and he reported it in his article), and he also wrote about the earlier meetings between her and major Soane. Heja Helweda 04:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Is it an advertisement article ?

The tone of article is like that the ethnic Kurds are very different in respecting the rights of women in comparison with other ethnicities of the middle east . With full respect , I don't think it is right to show a picture without showing the dark parts . As an example ,in Iran and Iraq, Female circumcision is more prevalent in ethnic Kurds than the other ethnicities . Why the article only talks about certain [positive] points without negative aspects ?thank you --Alborz Fallah (talk) 08:32, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Well the article is pretty well sourced so you're free to contribute to it and explain the other side. I guess the original contributor wanted to get a positive point across so you're free to add a PoV tag the article ~ Zirguezi 22:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

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blaming mumin women

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Baseless information

This article contains a lot of claim without any sources. Starting to review the article.Ferakp (talk) 05:43, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Falsified content

A lot of falsified statements have been added. Deleted falsified statement: ..16% rate of female genital mutilation in Western Iran, where it is mostly practiced by Sunni Shafi’i Kurds who speak the Sorani dialect.. Source says that among the Kurds, it is mostly practiced by Sunni Shadi'i Kurds who speak Sorani, not mostly among all Iranians.

But in this article about Kurdish women, you should still leave the fact that is practiced by Iranian Kurds who speak Sorani, not delete it.

Deleted this, it was duplicate. 2011 Kurdish law criminalized FGM practice in Iraqi Kurdistan, however this law is not being enforced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakp (talk • contribs) 19:06, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Blackwashing articles

Kurdish women also continue to face numerous problems, including violent victimization through female genital mutilation (mostly in Iraqi Kurdistan), honor killings and forced marriage
They are already explained in the article with more details. The article is related to the all Kurdish women and what you add is simply blackwashing the article. Trying to put all negative things to the second statement.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakp (talk • contribs) 23:27, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with blackwashing. The lead must summarize the contennt of the article. the honour killing and the Female genital mutiliatoin is very well documented in the article. See WP:LEAD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.106.216.139 (talk • contribs) 23:46, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

Now the lead makes the claim that honour killing and forced marriage is only a problem in Iraq/Iran, but this is also a problem among Turkish Kurds.

Old and unreliable sources and blackwashing

The following statements were added: In Iraqi Kurdistan, since the PUK and KDP parties came to power, thousands of women were murdered in "honour" killings. It was reported that the Kurdish nationalist parties "have violated women's rights and tried to suppress progressive women's organisations", and that in July 2000, the nationalists "attacked a women's shelter and the offices of an independent women's organisation". Widely reported are the Kurdish nationalist parties’ disregard of women’s issues and their attempts to suppress women’s organizations. In the early 2000s honor killings were outlawed in Iraqi Kurdistan, but they have generally not enforced these laws.

First of all, the problem is that the source is not reliable source. It's an "Opinion". The second problem is that the article doesn't mention PUK and KDP but you have mentioned them. The third problem is that you have said Widely reported are the Kurdish nationalist parties’ disregard of women’s issues and their attempts to suppress.. However, the source says: Putting aside for the moment the relative well-being of Iraqi Kurdish women, their lives were somewhat determined by the policies of the two political parties, the PUK and KDP. Critics of the parties claim that, after the parties came to power, hundreds of women were murdered in honor killings, wearing the hijab became a necessity, and girls could no longer attend school.23 More widely reported are both parties’ disregard of women’s issues and their attempts to suppress women’s organizations.24 Between 2000 and 2002 both parties outlawed honor killings in their separate administrative bases, but have generally not enforced the laws. It looks like source doesn't say that the Kurdish nationalist parties, it says KDP and PUK. So you can't simply say all Kurdish nationalist parties if the source doesn't say so. However, here comes another problem. Your source is from 2005 and according to other sources. A new constitution of Iraq was established in 2005, defining Iraq as a federalist state consisting of Regions and Governorates. So, another way to say this, your source is not related to the current Iraqi Kurdistan at all when it says that it is not enforce. It was before Iraqi Kurdistan's federal region was established and it was related to Iraq. You didn't mention any of those, not even that it was from 2005, you just mentioned as it is happening everyday. Also, this source is totally against your source, according to that it is enforced and it is illegal now. .

In all your edits, you are clearly trying to blackwash the article. I don't want to even mention that you have changed your IP address :) (no offence) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakp (talk • contribs) 23:50, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

Reply: First of all, the problem is that the source is not reliable source. It's "Opinion".

The source is very reliable (Houzan Mahmoud in The Guardian) The source is also quoted in other reliable sources like the quoted book.

The second problem is that the article doesn't mention PUK and KDP.

You can change to Kurdish nationalist parties if you prefer that to PUK/KDP. You can also add the disclaimer, "in 2005".

Again, it's an opinion, not reliable source and it is also from 2004. Also, my source is against your source. You can add it if you fix it and take into account what I showed you (above). The current version is not acceptable in any metrics. About leading section, you are blackwashing the article by making those crimes common and not mentioning all things.Ferakp (talk) 00:24, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

It is a reliable source, an established expert writing in a reputed publication. Also the other sources used in this paragraph are reliable.

Read WP:RELIABLE. I didn't have problem with another source, it's reliable even it's biased. However, you played with statements. As I said, mention the year and exact details from it. Do not use 20 years old study as yesterday's study. It's seriously old. Mention all details, the year and other issues I mentioned. You are welcome to add it. I can help you.Ferakp (talk) 10:46, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

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Yazidi and Kurds

The information on Du'a Khalil Aswad, an Yazidi girl was deleted because Ferakp claims Yazidis are not Kurds. So why does the Yazidi article say that Yazidis are Kurds. Please explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.106.216.139 (talk • contribs) 23:55, April 1, 2015 (UTC)

Please explain this.

@92.106.216.139: She is Iraqi and she is Yazidi. Yazidis are not Kurds. According to the UN, Yazidis are own ethno-religious group. So, we can't call her Kurd, because she is not. That's what also source says. Ferakp (talk) 10:41, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Add her again. She counts. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 13:16, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Enforced FGM

This was added by random IP:
A 2011 Kurdish law criminalized FGM practice in Iraqi Kurdistan, however this law is not being enforced.

This is already accepted and enforced. Here is the source.Ferakp (talk) 00:36, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

You also deleted that HRW has noted that FGM ban is not being enforced. HRW is a stronger source than AL Monitor, so it must be kept. Even Al Monitor does not say that it disappeared in all of Iraqi Kurdistan, only that it declined in some areas.

I already explained it, scroll down. Ferakp (talk) 10:42, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

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Statistics about killed women

User from random IP address added the following statements:
The Free Women's Organization of Kurdistan (FWOK) released a statement on International Women's Day 2015 noting that “6,082 women were killed or forced to commit suicide during the past year in Iraqi Kurdistan, which is almost equal to the number of the Peshmerga martyred fighting Islamic State (IS),” and that a large number of women were victims of honor killings or enforced suicide – mostly self-immolation or hanging.

The first problem is that the link is dead.
The second problem is that such organization hasn't published any publications or statistics. I couldn't find any such statistics or publications from their website.

Another way to say this, there is no source.Ferakp (talk) 00:41, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Here is the same source: http://web.archive.org/web/20150402140715/http://basnews.com/en/news/2015/03/05/over-6000-women-killed-during-the-last-year-in-kurdistan/

I accepted, it's added now. Thanks for the source.Ferakp (talk) 10:42, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

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About Patriarchial system and Mojab

Following statements were added:
The patriarchal system in Iraqi Kurdistan has been extremely strong. Mojab concluded that the nationalist movement "discourages any manifestation of womanhood or political demands for gender equality."

First of all, you have to mention that it is from 1996. Then you have to add a source. However, I don't see your source. Is it book, if yes what is ISBN of that book? Ferakp (talk) 00:49, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

I have added the full source. There is no ISBN since it is not a book.

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• Female genital mutilation was an accepted part of Sorani speaking Kurds and Iraqi Arabs in Iraq.

Three things are wrong with this: It makes the claim that it is only a problem of the past, it claims that is also a problem of the Arabs (unsupported by the UNICEF report) and it claims that it is a problem of the Sorani speaking Kurds (it is more correct to say that it is the problem of a particular branch of the Sunnis (Shafi’i ) among the Kurds in Iraq).

It doesn't mean that it is the problem of the past. It says that it was accepted. Now, it's not accepted anymore. In the study, there is evidence for a trend of general decline of FGM. It seems that nowadays less than 50% of the young girls are being mutilated. Majoroity of regions are showing under 10% statistics. Even the worst regions have dropped under 50% after it was prohibited Ferakp (talk) 10:26, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

• In Iraq, FGM is found mostly among the Kurds in Erbil (58 percent prevalence within age group 15–49), Sulaymaniyah (54 percent) and Kirkuk (20 percent), giving the country a national prevalence of eight percent.

This information was deleted, but is well sourced from UNICEF.

@92.106.216.139: I explained this many times. Let me explain again. The statement is saying "is" but it is not anymore. The report is old and it is now prohibited and the newest sources confirm that those statistics are not valid anymore. However, it's another thing if you add those statistics and mention the year of the statistics. Ferakp (talk) 10:26, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

• You also deleted that HRW has noted that FGM ban is not being enforced. HRW is a stronger source than AL Monitor, so it must be kept. Even Al Monitor does not say that it disappeared in all of Iraqi Kurdistan, only that it declined in some areas.

The HRW surce is old, my source is newer. My source was published much later than the HRW report. Al Monitor clearly says it is law now and victims are allowed to use that law against those who force them.Ferakp (talk) 10:26, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

• You can not delete the text that is sourced to Mojab 1996:73, Nationalism and Feminism: The Case of Kurdistan)Mojab, S. (1996). Nationalism and Feminism: The Case of Kurdistan. In Women's Studies International Forum (Vol. 19, No. 1-2). No ISBN is needed for a paper (it is not a book).

Whether it is a book or publication, you must give us the source (LINK). Add the link and let all users to see and read it.Ferakp (talk) 10:28, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

No, for a paper it is enough to give the author and journal details. Not all papers are available freely online. But this you can find by googling it.

• You also deleted this: In Iraqi Kurdistan, since the PUK and KDP parties came to power, thousands of women were murdered in "honour" killings. It was reported that the Kurdish nationalist parties "have violated women's rights and tried to suppress progressive women's organisations", and that in July 2000, the nationalists "attacked a women's shelter and the offices of an independent women's organisation". Widely reported are the Kurdish nationalist parties’ disregard of women’s issues and their attempts to suppress women’s organizations. In the early 2000s honor killings were outlawed in Iraqi Kurdistan, but they have generally not enforced these laws.

As explained above, the author (an established expert) and the source ((Houzan Mahmoud in The Guardian) ) make this a reliable source. The other sources used in this paragraph are also reliable.

Let me tell you again. Opinion is not a source. Read WP:RELIABLE. Another thing is that your another source is very old. You are allowed to add it if you mention also, the year of source and study. It's history since it's seriously old but it's up to you if you want to add it. Your choice.Ferakp (talk) 10:33, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

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Ferakp, please stop trying to put a positive spin on this article. This still happens today, as proven by many reliable sources. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 13:18, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Kurdish women in Urban area

Even urban Kurdish women are generally not permitted to make their own decisions in marriage and divorce.
The second source is thread in the website, it's not a reliable source. It is referencing to the first source. But the first source doesn't mention what you have written here. It doesn't confirm your statement. No talk page was mentioned, so I read all pages related to urban Kurdish women but didn't find anything which could confirm your statement.Ferakp (talk) 15:45, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

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Gross original research in the lead section

All of the lead section is original research and no single sentence in huffingtonpost supports the lead section . I think the article can be nominated for deletion if the problems persists .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 16:08, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it can be nominated for deletion but you are free to change something which you see wrong and of course using a source.Ferakp (talk) 16:11, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

This sentence in the lead section for example : "Since the Kurds have never had a country, Kurdish women's rights have differed significantly and have always depended on the country in which they live. In Turkey and Syria, Kurdish women have had far more rights than Kurdish women in Iran and Iraq " : Very big claims with almost no RS ! "Since the Kurds have never had a country" that is POV pushing , because they did have many Kurdish monarchs in Iran (like Karim Khan and etc ) and local governments in almost all history ! That is pushing for a POV . " In Turkey and Syria, Kurdish women have had far more rights than Kurdish women in Iran and Iraq" that is unbelievably radical for Wikipedia to express such a judgement for any major human population ! Can we publish such a claim , in the most important part of article , based only in few weblogs ? and more than that almost all countries mentioned here ( Modern Turkey , Syria and Iraq ) are very young and in constant change ( Syria for example ) , then how can we say "In .. Syria, women have had far more rights than Kurdish women in Iran .." : Does it includes DAESH period in Syria ?! --Alborz Fallah (talk) 07:29, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

@Alborz Fallah: I agree with you. The lead should be rewritten. The POV lead is because of Ferakp. Please see also this discussion here.

Intend to blackwash the article

The user from 92.106.216.139 address is continuously trying to blackwash this article. All user's edits are negative. However, the main problem with this user is that majority of edits he/she makes are against WP:POV and clearly disruptive editing. This is last time, I will reverse edits, and explain changes even though I have explained the user 4 times before. Next time, I would have to report the user.

diff: [1]
Sources contains a lot of cities, which don't belong to the Iraqi Kurdistan and Northern Iraq. Also, as source says, it is among Sorani speaking Kurds, not all Kurds. Also, it's among Iraqi Arabs, not all Arabs. This edit is clearly against WP:POV and WP:FAKE. Also, because this is 4th time I tell you, you are clearly engaging in disruptive editing.
About this statement: A 2014 survey from UNICEF found a 58.5% prevalence of FGM in Iraqi Kurdistan..* This statement is edited now.

diff: [2]
Let me repeat again, even I have told you above. This edit is clearly against WP:POV. You need to mention, according to who and when. I see that it is very old, almost ~21 years but you show it as a recent study. I saw you Mojab source, it is talking about 1931 and I see you have added it as a recent "Status of women". You haven't mentioned the year, which Kurds (Iraqi, Turkish, Iran, Syria??) and also where exactly. You can't generalize a statement from the early 19th century, which is probably related to the Iraqi Kurds to all Kurds.*

Mojab talks about Kurdish women in the 20th century generally, not just of early 19th century as you claim, and some of his sources are from the 1990s. I have also added a second source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.106.216.139 (talk) 20:00, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

diff: [3] and [4]
Edited first Amnesty statement to be more neutral and added more details.* About the second statement, you need to mention the page, I didn't find the page (culture).
What are you trying to say with this: Self-immolation, which can be staged to mask honor killings, "occurs in all the areas of Kurdish settlement (in Iran), where it is more common than in other parts of Iran? I see the source says that Self-immolation is a practice that occurs in all the areas of Kurdish settlement, where it is more common than in other parts of Iran. Some alleged suicides may have been staged to cover up “honour” killings.. You have picked up all negative statements from the report and added them to here to blackwash the article.

diff: [5]
There is no scholars, there is one researcher who wrote this. It is neither confirmed or mentioned in other sources. It is more claim. Edited this. This is third time but let me explain again:
Widely reported are the Iraqi Kurdish nationalist parties’ "disregard of women’s issues and their attempts to suppress women’s organizations", as noted by M. Lasky in 2006. is not right, since the source doesn't mention anything like that. It is removed.

The quote is correct, it is on page 5. "More widely reported are both parties’ disregard of

women’s issues and their attempts to suppress women’s organizations.24 Between 2000 and 2002 both parties outlawed honor killings in their separate administrative bases, but have generally not enforced the laws. Still, some women have held political positions and served as" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.106.216.139 (talk) 20:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

diff: [6] and [7]
Houzan Mahmoud, representative of the Organisation of Women's Freedom in Iraq, argued in 2004 that "the Kurdish nationalist parties have violated women's rights and tried to suppress progressive women's organisations. In July 2000, they attacked a women's shelter and the offices of an independent women's organisation. Both were saving the lives of Kurdish women fleeing "honour" killings and domestic violence. More than 8,000 women have died in "honour" killings since the nationalists have been in control." How many times I have to explain this. Opinion is just opinion, it's not reliable source and it is 12 years old. You havent' mentioned both of them. Also, about honor killing, the newest source is against your source. So I have to remove it. Unreliable source and old claim which is proved to be false with the newest source.

Houzan Mahmoud is a specialist on Kurdish womens rights, the article was published as an article in a reputed publication. So there is nothing wrong with the source. But I have moved it to a footnote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.106.216.139 (talk) 20:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

diff: [8]
Reference loop found. Your source mentions the source of Dr.Lasky. I edited the source. Author who wrote this is not probably so neutral, so I also mentioned her other claims about other things.

diff: [9]
A 2013 study concluded that FGM rates for Muslim Kurdish women in Erbil city are very high, with a rate of 58.6%.
The newest source is against this source. I am now sure, is this necessary in the article, since already 2 studies are mentioned from the same city and it looks like the article is full of FGM related things.

diff: [10]
Wordpress is not reliable source...

diff: [11], [12], [13]
You need reliable sources for these claims. If you are referring to the current source, mention the page. You haven't added source for other claims. Such claims need very strong sources, but you haven't added single one.

I have added the page numbers. The text was previously plain source misrepresentation, I have only added the full context and neutralized it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.106.216.139 (talk) 19:46, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

It looks like you have filled this article with full of negative statements. I found at least 3 statements against WP:POV, 4 statements against WP:FAKE and all your edits are mainly negative. If you continue like this, first I will have to report you and then I have to make another article only for "Crimes against Kurdish women" and transfer all your edits to there. This article is already full of FGM and honor killing related things. Anyway, I will start to request for locking the article. Ferakp (talk) 19:32, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Single purposed editor and problems regarding the article

It seems that almost whole article is dedicated to FGM, honour killings and so forth. Of course these informations should be mentioned in the article but isn't it weird to dedicate the whole article to it? It can be summarized and/or creating a new article such as "Crimes against Kurdish women" per WP:BLOATED policy could help to solve the problem. In addition, I have checked the ip's (92.106.xx) contributions and noticed that the editor clearly dismissed particular informations and cherry picked some of them. Plus, when I checked the page's history, i have noticed multiple ips belong the same editor involved in disruptive editing. Some of them:

• 81.62.90.64 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 81.62.178.125 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 81.62.232.113 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

As you see, the contributions of the editor using these ips are not neutral: Mass deletions of sourced contents, offensive edit summaries (many of them censored by admins) and so on... Thus, I cannot "assume good faith" in this case. It would be nice if an admin pay attention to this article.

PS: Despite the fact that user Ferakp does not behave neutral utterly, it is not an excuse for/ not cover the ip's ulterior motive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.221.207.35 (talk) 13:51, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

A lot of his edits are not neutral. Too much cherry pickings and falsified statements. Added neutrality tags.
Ferakp (talk) 22:16, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Cherry picking, again

It looks like you have started to continue your edits with a new IP address.
Womens' rights activists have said that after the elections in 1992, only five of the 105 elected members of parliament were women, and that women’s initiatives were even actively opposed by Kurdish male politicians.[14] Honor killings and other forms of violence against women have increased since the creation of Iraqi Kurdistan, and "both the KDP and PUK claimed that women’s oppression, including ‘honor killings’, are part of Kurdish ‘tribal and Islamic culture’".[15] New laws against honor killing and polygamy were introduced in Iraqi Kurdistan, however it was noted by Amnesty International that the prosecution of honor killings remains low, and the implementation of the anti-polygamy resolution (in the PUK-controlled areas) has not been consistent.[16] On the other hand, women rights activists also had some successes in Iraqi Kurdistan, and it was claimed that "the rise of conservative nationalist forces and the women’s movement are two sides of the same coin of Kurdish nationalism."[17]

Here is what the sources says:

Following the elections in 1992, only fi ve of the 105 elected members of parliament were women (Mojab 2004: 119). Th e political leadership of both parties tried to incorporate tribal leaders, leading to the emergence of ‘neo-tribalism’ in Iraqi Kurdistan after 1992 (McDowall 2000 : 385). In this context, women’s initiatives were frequently regarded suspiciously and were even actively opposed by conservative Kurdish male political actors (Mojab 2004; al-Ali 2007 : 207).

Both the KDP and PUK claimed that women’s oppression, including ‘honor killings’, was part of Kurdish ‘tribal and Islamic culture’ (Mojab 2004: 122).

New laws against honor killing and polygamy were introduced in Iraqi Kurdistan, however it was noted by Amnesty International that the prosecution of honor killings remains low, and the implementation of the anti-polygamy resolution (in the PUK-controlled areas) has not been consistent

Despite the hostility they faced from some quarters, Kurdish women’s rights activists campaigned to annul the provisions within the Iraqi penal code that allowed lenient punishment for the murder of women in the name of ‘honor’. Th ey were successful in achieving these changes in 2000 in the PUKcontrolled areas and 2002 in the KDP-controlled areas. Despite this achievement, the prosecution of honor crimes is reported to be low (Amnesty International 2009 ). During the 1990s, Kurdish women’s rights activists also lobbied for reforms to the Iraqi personal status code of 1959 in order to introduce greater equality in marriage and divorce. In the PUK-controlled region, Jalal Talabani signed Resolution 62 (2000), which made taking more than one wife punishable by up to three years in prison and a fi ne of up to 10,000 dinars. However, like the outlawing of so-called honor crimes, the implementation of Resolution 62 has not been consistent.

I see you are again continuing cherry picking and black washing of the article. When are you going to stop this, what is your problem? 90% of this article is related to Mojab's publications. You have gathered 6-7 sources and they all are referring to Mojab publications. You are showing the report from 1992 as it was happened yesterday. You should mention the year and according to who. Also, stop cherry picking. I am tired to edit your changes. This article is totally destroyed and it is nothing else than negative things. Do you understand that the majority of the Kurds live in Turkey and Syria, not in Iraq?

• Shahrzad Mojab is a Canadian professor and one of the highest authorities on Kurdish women. The sources in your extract seem to be from 2004, 2007, 2009. That is not all from 1992. The text about Iraq is clearly marked as about Iraq. Majority of Kurds live in Turkey and Iraq. --92.107.193.198 (talk) 22:15, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Mojab is never accepted or agreed as an "expert" of Kurdish women's rights. I have read many articles about her, she is badly criticized. Sources are from 2004 but when you check what sources they use and go to check again them from the original Mojab source, you will realize that those things are from the early 90's. I am 100% sure you know that, you are just trying to show them as yesterday events. She stopped to write about the Kurdish women's right after her two publications were criticized by other human rights organizations. If you check her publications, you will realize that they are all absolutely negative and causing full of hatred. About your edits, at least 2 your statements aren't valid anymore. For example, not been consistent.. is not valid anymore. Check the newest source I added last time. I have checked your sources and realized that they are actually all either Mojab sources or referring to it, not even mentioning that you are clearly cherry picking and changing your IP address.Ferakp (talk) 22:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

And what are these sources that claim that Mojab is not a good source? Remember in wikipedia, we have to go by reliable sources. The paper I just used is from 2011, so quite recent. If the polygamy law is now consistently implmented, you can add this information, but it would still not make it invalid for the previous time period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.107.193.198 (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Also see this article which is quite recent about women in Iraqi Kurdistan. [14] I'm not using this source in the article, but it shows the situation is even worse.