Talk:Salaryman

Is the random sleeping guy really necessary?

• I'm not sure what the image contributes to the article either. Apparently this picture is the source for the image. Perhaps someone could find a more fitting picture? --V2Blast (talk) 20:21, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

• • Actually, I thought it conveyed a lot of the meaning of "salaryman", especially as perceived by the public and mass media. So I'll be putting it back. --C S (talk) 20:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Do you really mean it? How do you see a lot of the meanamig of "salaryman" by the photograph of a careless sleeping man? It's very interesting to me. Would you explain your opinion to me more specific.--ShoestringCatch (talk) 10:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
      • Have you read the article? "...the term carries associations of long working hours, low prestige in the corporate hierarchy...the term may also be used to give a highly negative connotation...the word "businessman" is often used to avoid the negative image...The following are stereotypical images of the salaryman: Lifestyle revolves entirely around work at the office. Works over-time on a daily basis..." Picture of a suited up salaryman comatose on the train...yep. I think that says more than all these words could ever do. --C S (talk) 11:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
        • I must remove your misunderstanding on "Salaryman". "Salaryman" is the middle class(or middle-lower class)of Japanese society. "Slaryman" is not the lower class. The lower class is "Freeter". "Salaryman" is the absolete majorty of Japanese worker. Negative image of the "Salaryman" is broken out in comparison with very rich people(or talented person). Say, surgeons, presidents, famaous artists. In Japan, the term"Salaryman" is hardly different from the term"Businessman". We call ourselves "Salaryman" in modestway. We call others "Businessman" in respect. Some people call themselves "Buisnessman". They are "Salaryman" who earn a lot of money. Average income of "Salaryman" is about fourty three thousands US dollars. Average Hours of work of "Salaryman" is more than the Germans, less than the Americans. --ShoestringCatch (talk) 13:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

• • • • • • I think you probably know those average work hours are wrong, since they only count official hours while in reality, Japanese work a lot of unpaid "unofficial" overtime and Americans don't generally. I know groups like freeters are lower, but you can hardly deny (and you don't) that salaryman has a negative image, and that is what that photo demonstrates. --C S (talk) 01:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

• There is a problem on this photo. I will explain why it is.

Maybe you take photos of Japanese people on the streets of Japan.Although many Japanese people dislike taken by photos by others, you can take pictures of them probably.They will allow foreign photographer probably.(I never guarantee your safety. Indivisuals hava its own customs.)

But You must not take photos of others in train.Train is one of the most sensitive room for manners in Japan.Using cellphone as voice call is not permited too.(E-mail is OK except near by seets for senior citizen.)If you take photos of others in tarain in Japan without permission, you are risking your safety. It's a dangerous.

The photographer who takes this image could be regarded criminal in Japan.

It is a criminal in Japan, indeed. He(She) could be under arrest as a criminal of attempted CHIKAN(ちかん). (see Frotteurism#Groping in Japan)

I am going to replace this dangerous photo with a less dangerous one.--ShoestringCatch (talk) 18:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

• • Japanese privacy laws really have no place here on English Wikipedia, and making legal threats (as you appear to be making against the photographer) is a blockable offense. In any case, this is not an important issue for me, while strangely, it seems to be for you, so I'll drop it. --C S (talk) 01:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Contradictory statements

In the "history" section in the ultimate and penultimate paragraphs, contradictory statements are made as to the probability of salarymen being fired. This should be fixed but I am lacking the knowledge of Japanese culture to do so. 83.50.152.44 (talk) 14:30, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

"Social image"

The references in the "Social image" section all refer to a book written about business in China, with no page numbers. Can someone check to see that it is in fact relevant to this article? 8bitW (talk) 16:08, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

No, it is not relevant. Removing. If somebody wants to try to write something on this topic, they might refer to Allison, Anne. 1994. Nightwork: Sexuality, Pleasure, and Corporate Masculinity in a Tokyo Hostess Club. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. (A source that Osburg uses when making some comparisons with Japan). 169.229.120.39 (talk) 23:26, 19 April 2016 (UTC)