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Welcome!

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Talkback

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Re:Merging articles

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Sunny Pimpare

i want to populate my article please help me out. Sunny Pimpare (talk) 11:27, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are zero reliable sources about you, Sunny Pimpare, so you don't meet our notability requirements (I say you - I presume you were attempting to write about yourself). Cordless Larry (talk) 13:33, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Clark

Hi Larry,

I appologise. I tried to add to my questions to you re Marc Clark (Sculptor) on our talk page but ended up putting it on someone elses talk page article.

Re Marc Clark (Sculptor).

Is it OK to use an extract written on the back cover of Marc Clark's Autobiography 'Another Colonial Boy' by Dr Lenton Parr as a footnote?

The reason I ask is that the Autobiography was written by Marc Clark but, of course, the comments on the back cover were written by Dr Lenton Parr.

I value and appreciate your help,

JohnFlashpepi (talk) 23:18, 23 May 2016 (UTC) Flashpepi (talk) 23:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, Flashpepi. You might get faster answers to questions if you post them as follow-ups to your original question at the Teahouse. To answer this one though, yes, I do think you can quote that, although presuming that it is an opinion of some sort, it needs to be clearly attributed (e.g. "According to Lenton Parr, Marc Clark..."). See WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV on that. You can also use the autobiography itself for basic, non-controversial facts about Clark. However, material from Clark's autobiography won't contribute to establishing his notability. That requires coverage of Clark and his work in independent sources such as newspapers or other books. Cordless Larry (talk) 05:22, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Alumni

I am attempting to make edits to a university page to include notable alumni. A user keeps removing the new entry simply because the alum does not (yet) have a Wikipedia entry. This has gone through several deletions and re-entries. Please advise how to keep a new entry when other users who, though with good intentions, are too zealous in deleting people they think aren't notable enough.DavidRThomason (talk) 19:17, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, DavidRThomason. To be included in a list, we don't need an article to exist about a person, but we do need evidence that they are notable. Have you been citing sources when adding the individual to the list, to demonstrate this notability? Cordless Larry (talk) 19:20, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, evidence is listed, both in print and online, for their notability. And a wikipedia article on the subject is forthcoming. Please see the following comment on my talk page by the user who keeps deleting it "Neither Yolanda or the Visitation House has an article. They are simply not Wikipedia notable. With the exception of politicians, the standard on Wikipedia is that if a person doesn't have an article, they are not included in the articles. Plain and simple. 🎓 Corkythehornetfan 🎓 18:53, 31 May 2016 (UTC)" Thank you, DavidRThomason (talk) 19:25, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I will comment on your talk page, to keep the discussion in one place. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:26, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks...

Thanks for dealing with that user. I went ahead and had contacted Kuru (an admin), because I dont have the patience to deal with these things. I explained my reason, it was evident they weren't backing down, so I took the next step. I am aware that red links are acceptable, but I was plainly going off of the standard for American universities – "no article = not listed", with the exception of politicians. I had done a quick search as well to make sure this person wasn't a world-renowned person. Thanks again! 🎓 Corkythehornetfan 🎓 00:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, Corkythehornetfan. Where is the guideline for American universities? Also, Trump? Really?! Cordless Larry (talk) 21:07, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if there is an actual guideline, but rather that's what a majority of the members who edit the articles do. The person to ask would be User:ElKevbo – he knows a heckuva lot more than I do and he's been editing the university articles for a lot longer than I have! As for Trump, yes he's the one I want! I may not agree with all of his ideas, but I agree with a majority of them (e.g. The Wall). I'm all for giving people a chance and I think he'll be better than the others, especially Killary... I mean Hillary! 🎓 Corkythehornetfan 🎓 21:20, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, good luck with that... Cordless Larry (talk) 21:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This whole world is in going to be a mess, regardless of who becomes our next president! 🎓 Corkythehornetfan 🎓 21:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It certainly will be if Trump wins, that's for sure. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mountain biking

Hello Cordless Larry,

Here are some third-party references and links to reviews and comments about the film, FREEWHEELIN' ... The material in my contribution are historical facts pertaining to the film and its depiction of Mountain Biking in the mid-80s ... Kindly advise what portion of these facts is "promotional" or how it should be worded ... Thanks!

COMMENTS & REVIEWS

[1]

[2]

References

  1. ^ Brian Vernor says: December 13, 2014 at 11:22 am I put an email out to some friends calling this “the first” because i wanted people to think about film vs. documentation. This is the earliest composed film about mountain biking I have found. It aims to inspire people through the camera style, and the full composition of the film, sound, color, location, you know FILMMAKING. Not to discredit important images created prior to Freewheelin’ (of which I happily acknowledge there are many), I see this film as the first in it’s intent to use filmmaking to translate the feeling of riding a mountain bike. As someone who is inspired to celebrate bike riding through photography, films, and occasionally writing, I see Freewheelin’ as a monument of creativity. It was aimed at an audience outside the experience of mountain biking while showing a truthful, celebratory version of the core riders at the time. Most of our media, whether printed or in films, succumbs to selling the products of the sport to the audience that is already committed. In my interview with Wolf Ruck, an Olympic athlete in an era of much lesser commercialization of the Olympics, he expressed dismay at corporate representations in sport. He was concerned with using film to translate the beauty of sport and its culture. For myself, that is what matters and I would like to see that matter to everyone else. Supporting the industry of cycling with our creativity is fine, but when our art and our commerce are indistinguishable I think there is a problem. Wolf Ruck’s Freewheelin’ inspires me with its pureness of intent. I hope discussions of this beautiful film will center on the intentions of its maker…And of course, socks, mustaches, fanny packs, chainstay length, riser bars, ders, trail poaching, toe straps, and high heels.
  2. ^ LINKS: http://theradavist.com/2014/12/freewheelin-one-mtbs-first-videos/ http://www.thebicyclestory.com/2014/12/the-worlds-first-mountain-bike-film-probably/ http://www.thebicyclestory.com/2011/07/brian-vernor-santa-cruzs-adventurous-filmmaking-photo-taking-native-son/ http://trackosaurusrex.com/the-first-mountain-bike-video-ever-made/ http://www.bicycling.com/news/featured-stories/watch-first-known-mountain-bike-movie http://vernorfilm.tumblr.com/post/105041985258/hi-friends-this-has-been-a-long-time-coming-i http://www.bikehugger.com/post/view/freewheelin-mountain-bikes http://singletrackworld.com/2014/12/freewheelin/ http://www.chatderuelle.com/freewheelin/ http://girlbikelove.com/2014/12/freewheelin-film-wolf-ruck/ http://wayofthebicycle.tumblr.com/ https://www.facebook.com/RoskoCyclesInc/timeline http://www.teamdreambicyclingteam.com/page/2 http://pluradl.tumblr.com/ http://radpropaganda.org/2014/12/16/freewheelin/ http://www.bicikel.com/novice/11980/prvi_gorskokolesarski_film_freewheelin_na_voljo_za_ogled.html http://www.joelhynes.com/2014/12/watch-the-first-known-mountain-bike-movie/

65.93.94.184 (talk) 20:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, 65.93.94.184. You need to add references to the Mountain biking article, not to my talk page. Where is the Brian Vernor comment from? If it's not a published source, you can't use it. Claims such as "Possibly the first and only film depicting the state of the sport in the 1980s..." also need to be reliably sourced (also, why only possibly?). I don't think the film's synopsis belongs in the article either - it's about mountain biking, not the film. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Cordless Larry,

Thanks for your reply. The links provided in my note to your talk page are all third party articles in published sources available online and in some cases in hardcopy (e.g. Bicycling Magazine) ...

The quoted text from Brian Vernor is from his widely broadcast email which appears in whole or in part in a number of these published sources, e.g. http://theradavist.com/2014/12/freewheelin-one-mtbs-first-videos/, where the text is posted word-for-word by Brian Vernor in the published Comments section.

The synopsis is quoted from the 1985 brochure which accompanied the film when it was first released and distributed in North America. IMHO, it is significant because it describes the state of the relatively unknown sport of Mountain Biking extant in the mid-80s as a new and exciting variation on bicycling ... which no longer applies today, since the entire world is familiar with MTB Biking.

"Probably" is quoted from some of the linked published sources and is inserted in my contribution because of the possibility that there may be other films of that era of which no-one in the MTB Biking community today is currently aware ... (e.g. http://www.thebicyclestory.com/2014/12/the-worlds-first-mountain-bike-film-probably/ )

So, would references to these third party published sources added to my contribution suffice to meet your specs?

Please advise. 65.93.94.184 (talk) 22:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A film's synopsis is not a third-party source as it's clearly not independent of the subject, i.e. the film. User comments posted on a website aren't considered reliable sources. The amount of material that you want to add just about this film falls foul of WP:UNDUE. It would be better to add it to an article about the film itself, if it meets the relevant notability guideline. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:15, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Larry,

Sorry, but after numerous attempts over several days, I`m at a loss on how to simply contribute the fact of the existence of a historically significant film (according to a wide range of current experts on the sport of MTB Biking in the published links) to this Wikipedia article purporting to reflect the history of MTB Biking. The process leaves me doubting the relevance of Wikipedia as a universal, complete and accurate resource ... 65.93.94.184 (talk) 23:21, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

e.g. "In 1985, Wolf Ruck, a Toronto-based author and filmmaker, produced the 15-minute long mountain bike film Freewheelin’. It is both the most awesomely 80’s thing ever, and a marker of a major historical change in the way that people thought about bicycles. You should watch it." [1]65.93.94.184 (talk) 00:24, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://bikebattles.net/2015/01/freewheelin-is-awesome-and-you-should-watch-it/
The best approach would be to write a short sentence describing the film and its significance in a neutral manner, with a reference to a reliable source. Note that personal blogs are rarely considered reliable. Newspaper or magazine coverage would be the best source. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you!

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Hats of to you as you have won the Barnstar of Writer for your exceptional contributions of editing and creating articles in Wikipedia. Well done and Keep it up! Amy2563 (talk) 07:00, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Amy2563! Cordless Larry (talk) 18:15, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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re: Jayne Joso

NPOV only, many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dictionarylady (talk • contribs) 16:08, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This edit summary suggests that you know Joso though, Dictionarylady. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:10, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV I assure, but sorry for not adding further details, it seems tricky. It seems unfair to delete the page, perhaps remove the new education section if you feel it does not comply? Again, sorry for any mistake in protocol. But is entirely NPOV. Best wishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dictionarylady (talk • contribs) 16:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The whole article is unsourced, Dictionarylady. Wikipedia does not publish original research - it needs to be based on what reliable sources say, and we have to be particularly careful about this when the subject is a living person. Regardless of whether you think the article is neutrally written, you appear to have a relationship to the person being written about. How else would you have got the quotes from the person that are included in the article? If that is the case, you need to declare it. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:28, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, Dictionarylady. I now realise that this article has existed since 2009. For some reason, I thought that you had created it today. The material still needs to be sourced, but the deletion template I added to the article does not apply, so I will remove it. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:39, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thank you, I thought something must be amiss, but you are more expert than I on these matters. You will see that I have made a small edit now in the interests of NPOV, and have mentioned the connection. Yes, it's quite an old page in a way. But thanks you for your concern and taking good care of these matters. Best wishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dictionarylady (talk • contribs) 16:46, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You need to follow the instructions at WP:DISCLOSE to disclose your COI properly, Dictionarylady. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:48, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't apply, no gain whatsoever, no relation in any sense, just updating information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dictionarylady (talk • contribs) 16:53, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dictionarylady, please see the top of the page WP:COI, where it states: "Conflict of interest is not about actual bias. It is about a person's roles and relationships, and the tendency to bias that we assume exists when roles conflict". Cordless Larry (talk) 16:55, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There could be a tendency to bias by anyone, a fan, an academic, any wiki contributor in fact, in any direction also.

And the information is sourced and noted as the article references The Times Literary Supplement, ICON, and various other notable publications, with links to the exact pages on the Links area of the wiki page. Much less problem perhaps than one might think.

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