Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group)

Genetics for ethnic groups RfC

For editors interested, there's an RfC currently being held: Should sections on genetics be removed from pages on ethnic groups?. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:41, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Macedonian Slavs or Slav Macedonians ARE not proper exonyms

First of all - those 3 links are cherrypicked to support Greek POV. For PERSONS of separate ethnicity. Only Greeks have a distinction between "their" Macedonians and "Slav" Macedonians. But Greeks use Slavophone Greeks, not Slav Macedonians! Secondly - it is offensive that there's not a single other ethnicity called Serb Slavs, or Slav Poles, or Russian Slavs, or English Celts, ... BTW, this is resolved matter in WP:MOSMAC - "The same rules are to be used in an analogous fashion for sub-articles containing "Macedonian(s)" as an ethnic name (e.g. "Macedonians in country X")." And this is not an article about "a citizen body in same state" - it is an article about Macedonians (ethnic group) living in various countries around the globe.

Finally, if an exonym is offensive for the people in question it should not be put in the WP article, e.g. would you put Negro or Colored or... at the top of the article about African_Americans? Kirev (talk) 21:59, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kirev. I am aware of the MOSMAC, so please keep the indignation down, it won't help. On what you perceived as "offensive", well, as you probably know, the use of "Macedonian" at all by the "Macedonian Slavs" is considered "offensive" by a good many of my countrymen. If we start dealing with articles on the basis of preferences and likes and dislikes, they will degenerate into edit- and flamewars (and have done so multiple times in the past). That is what MOSMAC and the other guidelines are here to guard against. So let's take matters calmly: the news articles in question refer to "Macedonian Slavs" in juxtaposition with Albanians who live in the Republic of Macedonia. Both ethnic groups are "Macedonians" in the sense of being citizens of the Republic of Macedonia, and the distinction between "Slavic Macedonians" or plain "Macedonians" makes as much sense in such a context as in the distinction between "Slavic Macedonians" and "Greek Macedonians" when applied to Greek Macedonia or to the wider region of Macedonia. This is exactly in the spirit of MOSMAC, where in the case of ambiguity, qualifiers have to be used, and exactly in the spirit of WP:VERIFY, since these are global news outlets and record established English-language usage. Unless of course you believe that the qualifier "Slavic" is inaccurate or pejorative, in which case there's really no point discussing any further... Constantine ✍ 22:47, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Cplakidas. Both "Macedonian Slavs" and "Slavic Macedonians" are widely used in the literature [1] [2], and in a non-pejorative sense. I don't see any issue with including them in the lede. Athenean (talk) 06:39, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Macedonians in Serbia

The present serbian municipalites Presevo, Bujanovac and Trgoviste are part of the geographic region Macedonia. Therefore baced ot the claims of the artical that all slav speaking population in the region Macedonia are macedonians... you got to include the slav speaking population in this serbian municipalites Presevo, Bujanovac, Trgoviste in the part for a macedonians in Serbia. Who have no rights of political representation in Serbia, who are not recognized as minority, who have no rights for a education and cultural expretion on there native macedonian language, and macedonian ethnicity. Otherwise all this construct for a ëthnic macedonians" is wrong..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.237.139.193 (talk) 13:21, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Macedonian language

The macedonian language could not be a situeted in the middel between Bulgarian and Serbian if the Torlak dialect is situeted in the middle between bulgarian and serbian language? This is paradox!!! Between so called macedonian and serbian is the torlak dialect, they not have any other contact beyond the torlak dialect. How could the macedonian be in the midle of bulgarian and serbian if macedonian not contact with the serbian but with the torlak who is the transnition?????? Most important any sources for this clime???? Any sources for the clime that the serbo-croatian is the second closet language to the macedonians, so made the thirth, the fiftyfifth most close language to the macedonian?

Neutrality not mean to say something in the middle! Its mean to tell the truth!!! This is a significant thing that is forgoten in the all article!