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ヰキプロジェクト琉球

はいさい, Crovata! I've noticed that you've contributed to the subject of Ryūkyū. I invite you to join WikiProject Ryūkyū, AKA the Ryukyu task force, a collaborative effort to expand and deepen coverage of subjects pertaining to Ryūkyūan geography, history, and culture. Here are a few links to pages to start you off:

See the main project page
Sign the participants page
See the To Do List
If you have any questions, feel free to ask at the talk page

I hope you'll take interest and decide to be a part of this project. めんそーれ! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 03:14, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Sturmgewehr88: thank you for the invitation. How currently have several articles of primary personal interest to create and edit, will join the project soon as possible, although a month could pass in the meantime.--Crovata (talk) 13:16, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Take your time! ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 03:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Kačić noble family

The article Kačić noble family you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Kačić noble family for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Calvin999 -- Calvin999 (talk) 17:01, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction

The following sanction now applies to you:

You may make no more than one revert every 24 hours to a page within the Balkans topic area for a period of 6 months, subject to the standard exceptions

You have been sanctioned due to repeated violations of existing personal 1RR sanction

This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Macedonia#Final decision and, if applicable, the procedure described at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.

You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. slakr^\ talk / 02:08, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Željko Loparić

Hello Crovata! Thanks for your work on Špiro Kulišić. Recently Željko Loparić was rescued from deletion. Maybe it is something you would like to help expand? I saw another editor somewhere, who is Brazilian, I'll try to find him again and point him to that article. Loparić seems to be quite a name in Latin-American philosophy. Best, Sam Sailor ^Talk! 19:31, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Sailor I am not very familiar with philosophy, and must finish several historical articles have originally planned. It could be of interest and would gladly help, if anything else, at least with sources on Croatian language.--Crovata (talk) 20:15, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Excellent expansion work on Houston, We Have a Problem! Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 18:20, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Anngelo

See my ANI post - I'm suggesting a topic ban or indef. Doug Weller talk 14:56, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Are these IPs are related to a sockmaster?

Hello. Some IPs (or IP-hoppers) became active on Massagetae, Xionites and several other similar articles. For example 95.87.248.121 (talk · contribs) and 85.118.68.89 (talk · contribs). Are they related to sockmaster User:PavelStaykov? What do you think? Plus, if you're interested, please review those articles. Because I'm not sure about them. --Wario-Man (talk) 11:44, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wario-Man there's is similar discussion at AN, and as recently happened Staykov's sock activity (was not reported and documented everything in the investigation due to lack of time), especially if it is related with minor premise about the Yuezhi, Huns and so on, they could be, however his socks show specific behavior. Currently am unavailable to do a substantial review and edit of the articles. After three or four days will comeback and edit several nomadic articles. Until then a watch on the articles would be alright.--Crovata (talk) 22:33, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. --Wario-Man (talk) 07:56, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think these IPs/new accounts belong to same person. The edits on Yuezhi and Xionites are similar. All of them try to create a Turkic-only background for those Eurasian peoples. Creating a Turkic background for Yuezhi, then conncting other groups (Massagetae, Xionites and etc) to that Turkic Yuezhi. In my opinion, these IPs remind me of this long-term abuser Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Tirgil34. --Wario-Man (talk) 09:32, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Massagetae: diff --Wario-Man (talk) 09:39, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And this insult by this user is similar to them[1] --Wario-Man (talk) 20:20, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Wario-Man: this is not the right place to complain bro, actually Crovata is (according to your jargon) pro-turkic editor. You even don't understand what is going on these articles, simply because I added a couple of sentences that some aspects of the language of the Yuezhi could be explained from the Turkic language family doesn't mean that I consider them to be Turkic people. Also language != nationality. Everything points out that Yuezhi spoke unknown Indo-European language(probably remotely related to the Tocharian languages) heavily influenced by Turkic and Iranian languages. These people were nomads - they moved from place to place and their language acquired certain features from the languages of neighboring tribes. I was about to add this to the article but you cockblocked me bro. --46.229.227.121 (talk) 20:22, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blacorum

Hi, I noticed that you deleted an important part of the article Blacorum simply saying that it is an outdated source. Well, a historic source is a historic source, it is not outdated. To have a more clear article I budged and deleted historical sources (for example that of Villehardouin, Anonymus or King Andrew II) which mention the Blacs but those sources can refer to both the Blacs and the Vlachs. So please keep the present sources, because the present sources can not be understood as being refereed to the Vlachs because the Vlachs did not come from Bashkiria. The present sources are really important to understand this topic about the Blacs. I know it is a controversial subject, but let's keep it civil.Thank you. Arpabogar (talk) 14:56, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Crovata, I am not edit warring. You shouldn't either. There is no need to put in "unsuccessfully" or "fallacious" or so on. I could also put in such quotes from the other side of the argument. There is no point to it. The article has to be presented unbiased and both sides can be presented in a normal manner. On the other hand I edited grammatical errors and I edited sentences because they were not written in an understandable manner or written in poor English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arpabogar (talk • contribs) 01:50, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You can do WP:COPYEDIT (which doesn't mean removal of a sourced fact), but you don't understand Wikipedia WP:NPOV principles of editing. You cannot put such a quote from the other side of the argument, because that side is simply wrong. The article is presented according to NPOV, thus both sides cannot be given equal WP:WEIGHT and WP:BALANCE. --Crovata (talk) 02:02, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is funny that you mention that I do not understand WP:NPOV. Because I presented a balanced view of the topic so far. You are the one who is convinced that one side of the topic is wrong, which is ok, but still you have to present the article in a fair manner. You are not doing that, and by the way you were edit warring not me, because you reverted back three times what I added. I didn't twist anything in my edits I changed the grammatical errors and I took out the negative comments you entered. There is no need to it. Plus I made the text understandable because it was not in a few instances. The text of the article should be fluid and understandable, not just a collection of sentences from several sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arpabogar (talk • contribs) 02:12, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You don't understand what is WP:NPOV when you ignore scholars who clearly stated the the connection between the Bulaqs and Vlachs is wrong, the Rásonyi's thesis is wrong, and now even contradicting yourself that in the edit didn't add István Ferenczi who wasn't mentioned by the sources, remove author-link and publisher link, remove Spinei's statement about the Karluks, and two sentences by Vasary and Spinei.--Crovata (talk) 02:24, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is what I am saying that the article is not quotes from sources. It has to be a fluid text, of course it has to be based on sources which you refer to. But just because I added Ferenczi for example that didn't change the article or the source or the meaning of the sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arpabogar (talk • contribs) 02:32, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It didn't change the article, but it did change the source and the meaning of the sentence because he wasn't mentioned in them.--Crovata (talk) 02:41, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is not correct, because the sentence was not in quotes. If you want to quote someone then put it in quotation marks. But the article should not be a collection of quotes.Arpabogar (talk) 02:47, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the remark on J Peisker because that is simply not true. Rasonyi, Bodor, Ferenczi do not say that the Vlachs were Romanized Turks. J Peiskers theory is totally different so it does not belong here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arpabogar (talk • contribs) 14:08, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Learn to read English, of course that their theory is different (as it is between the Rasonyi and Ferenczi among others), by they cite him, and it is related according to sources. Your personal opinion is invalid.--Crovata (talk) 14:11, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It might be sourced, but it does not belong to the article. It does not help the understanding of the article at all.Arpabogar (talk) 14:17, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It does very well, it really helps to properly understand the theory - of course, you have a personal problem with several related statements (even intentionally removed them) because they discard the importance and validity of the theory. I will say again, learn what is Wikipedia, as your personal subjective opinion does not matter.--Crovata (talk) 14:30, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry I removed Madgearu's reference before. I read his book review you referred to and didn't find the sentence you were mentioning. After I saw that he has a Notes section in the article so I found it.

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re Oghur edit warring

Anon may have been unwarranted in removing all four references over at Oghur languages (one holds up: Pritsak does in fact report that Hunnic has been sometimes considered Turkic), but it seems less than productive to call a report of failed source verification "disruptive" in itself, at least unless you have not yourself checked if the claim holds water. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 22:53, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tropylium, I originally edited those sources as they are specifically about the Oghuric language(s). According to your edits in which removed Granberg source and Pritsak reference, both sources are based on the work and old terminology used by Maenchen-Helfen (1970s) and Pritsak (1980s) for the language(s) today known as Oghuric.--Crovata (talk) 12:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

Hi, Crovata. Regarding this comment, you can't accuse someone of being a sockpuppet without evidence, and it's always wise to avoid commenting publicly on another editor's motivations. Unless you have evidence of sockpuppetry, it would be best to delete the last sentence of your comment. Kanguole 13:18, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kanguole his sock-puppets have the same behavior - in the recent reply he mentioned "these articles" (we both know each other from previous discussions on related articles), "Turk-" and "Peter Golden" (somehow he continues to call me a national Turk, which I'm not, and the same animosity goes for Golden, because the scholar proved the related people were Turkic speaking people and not Indo-Europeans). At the Kanasubigi article some IPs pushed Yuezhi information, while on the talk page in the reply he said "retard from other WP pages makes him the Greatest Vandal on Wikipedia of all time" and "Turkic terrorist".--Crovata (talk) 23:56, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

December 2016

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 2 months for edit warring and violating the three-revert rule, as you did at Blacorum. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may request an unblock by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Katie^talk 15:48, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Notice

123Steller, DIY Editor, Borsoka, I have been blocked for 59 days by an administrator, KrakatoaKatie, who ignored the issue, misunderstood my words and intention, and believed KIENGIR's report, who managed to do what I previously expected - to remove me from the discussion and editing of the article so he and other two users, Arpabogar and Fakirbakir, can continue (Arpabogar already began) to do disruptive push of a fringe theory. I am warning you that, although we are dealing with an article of a minor importance and brink of deletion, for the sake of Wikipedia and its principles you must not allow that they get what they want, and show that such kind of disruptive behavior is not supported on Wikipedia. Thank you.--Crovata (talk) 16:30, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]