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A definite POV

This is absurd; the word 'American' does not refer to white/fair/unfair/whatever... If you are referring to origins and ancestries, check another entry in wikimedia at [1]

Quoting from someone whose only claim to fame is owning a anti-immigration web-site makes no sense. America has been proud of 'attracting talent from all parts of the world'; when did this become a race issue?!?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.161.122 (talk) 03:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

THe statement that the white population has been in decline is a white supremacist lie. The white population in America is still growing.

Did this act also increase Latino immigration? no

Agreed. This article reads like a post on a white-supremacist forum. While this law's after effects are discussed at great length, there is very little attention paid to the details of law itself. On the supposed effects of this law, not enough references are cited--I don't mean to say that what's stated is flat out false, but if this law caused such a "huge change" in America, there ought to be certainly more published material (in addition to a David Frum book and a Boston Globe article) discussing this law's after effects, right? Deye8119 (talk) 19:07, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

are you joking?

Before the act was installed America was over 90 percent white and the asian community was almost dead. Now America is 69.1 percent white and the asians are the 3rd largest minority group. The white population dies every year while the minority population grows. The line should be reinstated its factually accurate. This is an encyclopedia not an opinion page. Pls look for facts before you remove things.

JJstroker 06:09, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It may be factually accurate, but the text implies that the white population of the U.S. is not growing at all, which is not true. It may not be growing as fast as other populations, but that is not the same thing. It should be altered. 

NYPapo 06:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proper Act name in this article dubious / Alert to wikipedia administrators, please wikify

There is no factual authority on the web that will corroborate with the name, "Immigration and Naturalization Services Act of 1965", as identified in the text of this article. Note that the name differs from the name at the head of this page.

Rather, we can see "Hart-Cellar Act"; "Immigration Reform Act." Administrators or anyone else, please resolve this discrepancy. No corroboration can even be found for "Immigration and Nationality Services Act of 1965." (Those very few instances can be considered as coming from this wikipedia error. This is a major piece of legislation; too important to let sit uncorrected and imprecise. Dogru144 00:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Correct title and full text

  • I changed the title to "Immigration and Naturalization Services Act of 1965", since I see more places online (excluding Wikipedia copies) that use that than "Immigration and Nationality Services Act of 1965". I could not find the official title online, though "Hart-Cellar Act" and "Immigration Act of 1965" do seem to be popular. This appears to be Public Law 89–236, which is not available online at the Library of Congress. If someone with access to a law library can find the title as stated in the actual law, that would be very helpful. It would be super if the full text could be posted on Wikisource, since it does not seem to be available online at the moment. -- Beland 21:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • P.S. - Most current immigration law is apparently at 8 USC Ch. 12; given the large number of sections that have been repealed, it was not trivial to find. -- Beland 21:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The title used most often on U.S. government web sites for P.L. 89-236 seems to be "Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of 1965." I'm guessing that if we found the actual text of the law, it would begin "An Act to Amend the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952." At any rate, that would seem to be the official title. I changed the title in the body of the entry--those with the power to do so should change the title of the entry.
    • There's a Lyndon B. Johnson site with a list of all legislation passed by the 89th Congress here. The title of H.R. 2580 is Amending the Immigration and Nationality Act, and for other Purposes signed by Lyndon Johnson on 10/03/65. You can also view the primary source of "Immigration : hearings before Subcommittee No. 1 of the Committee on the Judiciary, House of Representatives, Eighty-ninth Congress, first session on H.R. 2580 to amend the Immigration and Nationality Act, and for other purposes" via any of the resources listed here. There's also a Harvard paper that calls it "Immigration and Nationality Act amendments (HR 2580)" and dates the House bill 9/22/65 here. And there's a primary source (scanned image of a paper written by Ed Kennedy) calling it "The Immigration Act of 1965" here. And there's yet another compilation of 89th congress legislation calling it "HR 2580 Amendment Concerning Cuban Refugees, 1965" here. You can read a transcript of Lyndon Johnson's speech after signing the bill on October 3, 1965 here, in which he devotes half his speech to addressing asylum for Cubans -- Thoreaulylazy 03:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Moved page to Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 because Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of 1965 was occupied. Hopefully someone who knows how to move to a page that already exists will fix that. -- Thoreaulylazy 03:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Explain the purpose of the act and what it did more directly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.233.38.187 (talk) 02:45, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This act is the most discrimanatory act in history

Apparently, someone forgot to mention to the US lawmakers that Hispanic/Latino is not a race but an ethnic makeup. Why on earth did they single out an entire ethnic group, lump them all together and seperate them from the rest of the ethnicities? Think about it. Apparently, Anglos, Italians, Germans and Nords can all mark down white/non-hispanic, while Hispanics (who are a White European sub-set) are lumped in with other races? That is as foolish as Europeans labeling all African American and Native American immigrants as ANGLO because they speak an ANGLO language, have ANGLO names and have a similar ANGLO culture from an ANGLO derived country. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.248.172.10 (talk) 21:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I think the answer has to do with consequences resulting from the Monroe Doctrine, that migration to the U.S. from the Western Hemisphere was not greatly restricted until the 1920's. Moreover, for the purposes of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, all Mexican citizens were declared "white" for purposes of the law, even though socially and judicially they were not given all the rights of "white" people. NYPapo 06:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your standpoint is predominately invalid, as this article is to have an impartial tone unless otherwise connotated by the article's intention to address such standpoints. To answer your question, however, it is a discrimanatory act in sofar as it does in fact single out a particular group of people, but this is justifiable due to the way in which this particular group is acting and moreover entering the country illegally. 21:57, 13 February (EST).

INA as amended mergers

It's kind of silly that the 1965 amendments to the Immigration and Nationality Act should have its own article. It is commonly referred to as the "INA as amended," and 1965 is but one of the more important amendments (1989 and 2001 also had significant changes). We should probably be merging this as a section of the main article.Hwonder talk contribs 23:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POV Concerns

This article reads as highly prejudicial, think it needs a rewrite. I understand that immigration and race are sensitive topics, but its no excuse for poor encyclopedic quality. 68.213.40.127 (talk) 21:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article is HIDEOUS

not only does it read as highly prejudicial, but it reads like a blatant criticism of JFK, which it is. Who could possible think that "This statement would be more accurate with the "not's" removed" is any kind of way to write a balanced article. Not only should this be rewritten, but whomever wrote this should be banned.--71.82.130.41 (talk) 02:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apostrophes do not plurals make. 14.203.77.97 (talk) 23:37, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Major edit of 06 May 2008

Here's the thing ... This article was absolute crap. No citations, no supporting data, nothing but cut and paste crap. The use of the word "white" was rather "supremacist" as well, especially when dealing with non-European countries ('NOTE': not non-White).

Part One

In the end, this act dramatically changed the face of American society by making it a multicultural and multiethnic nation. In opinion of the author of this article, the main reason for the Immigration Act of 1965 was the Civil Rights Movement. The Civil Rights Movement was to rid America of racial/ethnic discrimination. Two other bills, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, Johnson signed for the same reason. The Immigration Act was therefore a corrective measure instituted to atone for past history of discrimination in immigration.

In [the] opinion of the author of this article, ... Where, in Wikipedia, does this phrase belong? Including this qualifier invalidates anything else the author has to say. The section was removed in its entirety.

Part Two

Two earlier laws reflecting this discrimination were the National Origins Act of the 1924 and the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952. Both of these granted residency on the basis of national origin, and were particularly discriminative towards Asians. For instance, under the McCarran-Walter Act, while the quota for European immigrants was 149,667, the quota for Asian immigrants was 2,990, and the African quota was 1,400.

With the removal of the 'opinion' section, this section lost its relevance and was also removed. Also, there are no citations for the data.

Part Three

The Immigration Act of 1965, therefore, shifted the focus to non-European countries, especially those of the third world. Both Johnson and President Kennedy wished that by reforming immigration law, they would not only gain auspicious international relations (especially with non-White nations), but they would also confirm Americas bedrock principles of America being a free country, where everyone is considered equal.

This section was reworded and remains mostly intact.

Part Four

The preference in the law for skilled workers changed the traditional pathway to immigration which lead to difficulties for manual laborers from countries such as Mexico in obtaining legal permission to enter the United States.

Poor word choices, no tie-in with the rest of the article, extraneous mention of one Nationality, no references. Removed completely.

Part Five

Immigrants granted residency in America are now considered for admittance based on skill or for family reunification. More specifically, immigrants are accepted according to following preferences: fiance(e)s of American citizens who have promised to marry those American citizens (they receive K-1 visas); unmarried adults whose parents are American citizens, spouses and offspring of permanent residents, gifted professionals, scientists, and artists. The last preferences are the following: married offspring of American citizens, siblings of adult citizens, skilled/unskilled individuals of occupations lacking workers in America, and refugees from either communist (or communist-controlled) countries, or those from the Middle-East. The Immigration Act of 1965 became law on July 1, 1968. Even though the Immigration Act of 1965 was not implemented to bring an immediate end to discrimination, it was definitely seen as a major contributor in ending it.

No transitory explanation for inclusion of modern standards in a historical review. No basis for comparison between eras at this level of detail. Poorly worded. 'The Immigration Act of 1965' became law on July 1, 1968. salvaged, reworded, and remains as the last line of the article. The last sentence of the section is opinion and does not belong in an encyclopedic article.

Part Six

According to recent Census data (see "U.S. Fertility Rate Hits 35-Year High, Stabilizing Population" in external links for details), the entire post-1970 population growth in the U.S. is due to foreign immigration. Since 1971, the fertility rate of the native population stayed below the replacement level of 2.1 children per woman during her lifetime, and only recently reached the replacement level due to high fertility rates of Hispanics.

I am unclear as to why this is even relevant. The final phrase of the section is patently stereotypical and inflammatory. It has no place in this article. If a section on 'Effects of the Immigration and Nationality Law of 1965' were included, a summary of the linked-to story could be included, but leave the conclusions to the original author.

Summary of the Edit

This article needs more work by people without an agenda to push. See also:

Signed this date by: Reverend Lee (talk) 12:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

POV discussion initiated by User:Bruxism

Bruxism posted a {{pov}} tag here, saying "A number of editors have noted this article is POV, and no one has touched it since May". Comments? -- Boracay Bill (talk) 10:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the tag. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 11:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The POV tag is back WhisperToMe (talk) 11:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The tag was added back anonymously by 76.112.161.122 in this 11:19, April 2, 2009 edit, which has no edit summary. I haven't examined all the edits in between, but this 11:47, June 10, 2009 edit by anon 71.146.158.218 blanked the section containing the tag with an edit summary saying, "There are many newspaper articles on many subjects. Why are they in an encyclopedia?" User:BomBom reverted that, restoring the section and the tag, with an edit summary saying, "the information from newspapers was relevant and properly referenced." If anon 71.146.158.218 is paying attention here, I would refer him or her to the WP:POV essay, as well as the WP:NPOV and WP:V policies. The article does not express a POV, it accurately reports what reliable sources quote notable figures who are concerned with the article topic hgave said about the article topic. I am removing the tag. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 22:53, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kennedy who?

The article mentions "Kennedy". Which Kennedy? JFK? If Johnson was president at the time that seems unlikely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenhullett (talk • contribs) 00:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POV

I'm sorry but the last paragraph is just offensive in its implications.
Quote: "The waves of immigration has raised both possibilities and problems. Many immigrants have taken advantage of the abundance of opportunities in the US. The Vietnamese refugees from 1975 have an average income above the national average. Asians and Pacific Islanders constituted one-fifth of the students in California's public universities by 2000."
What the hell?
Abundance of opportunities? For whom? Definitely not for those who are discriminated.
And "taken advantage"? That's sounds like something bad, something wrong to do (the way the paragraph is phrased gives that impression, at least), while making the most of your life is nothing wrong. So new-ish immigrants have done well in the US, according to this quote, and that is called "taking advantage of" America's "abundance"? Is immigrants being largely represented (allegedly) in universities "problematic"? How? People immigrate to the US to have a better life and that's seen as a problem? Why would they immigrate otherwise? Why let them in if you (referring to the person who wrote this) want them to lead unsuccessful lives and to not educate themselves? People don't come to the US to be slaves for a Master. Not voluntarily.
Oh how awful that those refugees manage to make more than average Joe. And damn those Asians for being ambitious.
Another quote: "The problems have centered on questions of multicultural identity as opposed to the melting-pot idea, debates on the economic impact of immigration, impact of illegal immigration, and fears of becoming a polyglot nation with English not the primary language."
That is not a genuine "problem" as it is called, that is speculation, paranoia and xenophobia. The problem is not with immigration but with those "worried" about it. Truthbomb: America has always been a "polyglot" (I guess you mean multilingual) "nation" (you mean society, right?). Those people who worry about English not being the "primary" language (again what does that mean?) must be clueless and as such don't deserve a mention on a serious Wikipedia article.--109.196.118.133 (talk) 08:57, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

El Tipping Pointo

Is it worth adding something about Ann Coulter's outspoken opposition to the law and her claim that it has had a negative effect on American demography? I am referring to her article "America Nears El Tipping Pointo" (<http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-12-05.html>).Poldy Bloom (talk) 03:05, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bureaucrats redefining motherhood as it applies to this law

http://www.uscis.gov/news/uscis-expands-definition-mother-and-parent-include-gestational-mothers-using-assisted-reproductive-technology-art

Perhaps someone with a legal background could add and address this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.35.122 (talk) 21:06, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Did this act abolish quotas or not? This article is equivocal on that point.

Can someone who is an expert please correct or clarify the following? This act is described as having abolished immigration quotas, yet the article describes the new system imposed by this act as also restricted by a quota system.

The first line of the second paragraph reads: "The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system..." The second line of that same paragraph, describing the new system, reads: "Numerical restrictions on visas were set at 170,000 per year, with a per-country-of-origin quota..."

So which is it? Were national-origins quotas abolished, or not? Or are national-origins quotas and country-origins quotas substantially different concepts? If so, please clarify.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdobrienhaiti13 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • The 1965 act ended the national origins quotas established in the 1924 act, and applied numerical quotas to all countries. For the first time, quotas applied to countries in the western hemisphere. Previously there had been no quotas for the western hemisphere (with Mexico and Canada being the main sources of immigrants). For a source on this see Mae Ngai, Impossible Subjects: Illegal Aliens and the Making of Modern America (Princeton University Press, 2004), chapter 7. Toby Higbie (talk) 19:02, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New Changes - March 1, 2016

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Trump's temporary travel ban

So this line at the bottom has nothing to do with the immigration and nationality act of 1965. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100D:B00D:C424:6CAF:DECE:3B4:14E1 (talk) 20:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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