Talk:Surrogate partner

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Move to Sexual Surrogate

The article should be under the correct name sexual surrogate instead under the abbreviation sex surrogate which is likely to be misunderstood. --Diskriminierung (talk) 09:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Google Scholar: "Sexual Surrogate"[1] - 259 hits, "Sex Surrogate"[2] - 83 hits.

Ghits: "Sexual Surrogate"[3] - 319,000 hits, "Sex Surrogate"[4] - 45,900 hits.

Makes sense to me. Atom (talk) 14:51, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Legality of sex surrogacy.

The article says that sex surrogacy is legal since 2003 in all states if done under a sex therapist's supervision. I don't believe this is correct and certainly the article cited in support of this says nothing of the kind. deisenbe (talk) 16:54, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm removing the section on legality: as you pointed out, it doesn't have an actual citation; it strains credibility; and it has the potential to mislead (example). See this comment for a researched argument that paid sexual surrogacy is illegal in at least one state. Rebbing (talk) 18:12, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

MOS:LEAD says that the lead should be a summary of the main content from the body, but the current version of the lead contains exclusively information that isn't in the body at all. I'm moving most of the lead to a section I will call "Overview." As the article improves, the lead can be added to, but I'd suggest waiting until there's a major overhaul with sources before re-adding things to the lead. Almost none of the current sources are independent, reliable sources. Most are self-published by people affiliated with and/or making money off of the topic. PermStrump(talk) 11:28, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with prostitution

I don't see any difference so far, unless you are suggesting that there is no money involved ??? the costs aren't explained either. Surely a piece of the legality of surracy and the legality of prostitution would .. clarify what this is about ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.190.176.147 (talk) 11:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The difference, as I understand it, is that sexual surrogacy is primarily intended to be therapeutic. Rebb ing 16:09, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are purported differences. Like Rebbing said, sexual surrogacy is supposedly therapeutic, which readers will choose to believe or to think it's bunk, but there are enough reliable sources that cover "sexual surrogacy" as its own topic that it meets general notability guidelines. In order to reflect the reliable sources, it makes the most sense for it to be a separate article. —PermStrump(talk) 04:46, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

History of sexual surrogate therapy

I came to this page because of an essay on NPR, in which an elderly, gay man said that he was required to undergo sexual surrogacy therapy as a "cure" for his homosexuality. I believe this took place in the early 1970's, but I don't know where. I was hoping to find something more about the history of this therapy.

It would be helpful if somebody could add a section about the history of this therapy and its less reputable applications. 174.17.50.198 (talk) 19:06, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Do you have a link to the NPR story? Where was this? Who required it? Homosexuality notwithstanding, I find it challenging to believe that the authorities anywhere would require someone to pay for sex. Rebb ing 19:22, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Surrogate partner

Almost all surrogates prefer the term Surrogate partner. I have begun to work in this field and have been trained by people with decades of experience. The only research I can find shows that less than 15% of the time surrogate spend with clients involves sex.^[1] Many surrogate clients have achieved 25 years of age and still have had very unsatisfactory/limited or no sexual experience (so called mid life virgins) or they have experienced sexual trauma which has made them unwilling or unable to relate sexually. Equating a surrogate to a prostitute seem akin to comparing the Le Cordon Bleu to a street corner hot dog vendor. Surrogates share experiences that teach skills, and attitudes under the supervision of talk therapists in the hope that the client will blossom and be able to go out and relate socially and sexually in voluntary association with others. Many surrogate clients do not lack offers for sexual connection they lack the confidence skills and attitudes to accept them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.5.149 (talk) 07:29, 23 January 2017‎ (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.alternet.org/what-its-being-male-sex-surrogate-helping-women-get-over-sexual-dysfunction

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It has been proposed in this section that Surrogate partner be renamed and moved to Surrogate Partner Therapy.

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Sexual surrogate → Surrogate Partner Therapy – "Surrogate Partner Therapy" more accurately describes the topic being addressed. Though the term "sex surrogate" has been commonly used, most surrogate partners prefer the term "surrogate partner." In either case, "Surrogate Partner Therapy" is the modality under which such persons work. This title also invites more contributions; the subject is not just the people doing the work, but the therapeutic process as a whole. Emikokoyo (talk) 01:58, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, the page is presently at the common name and has been stable since 2006 and, although it should be made into one, it's indicative of common name that the term 'Surrogate Partner Therapy' hasn't yet been made into a redirect for this page. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:19, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
p.s. The terms Surrogate Partner or Surrogate partner have not been made into redirects either, as of this writing (although they should be), another indication that the page is at its common name. Another aspect is that the name was the original name introduced by Masters & Johnson. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:22, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:Common name. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support

Masters and Johnson used the term "Partner Surrogate."^[1] "Sex surrogate" or ("sexual surrogate") is an older term that is now used mainly by media looking to tantalize. Books published more recently use the term "surrogate partner." ^[2] ^[3] ^[4] Emikokoyo (talk) 03:17, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

^ Masters, William H.; Johnson, Virginia C. (1970). Human Sexual Inadequacy= New York. Little Brown and Company.
^ Zilbergeld, Bernie (1999). The New Male Sexuality. New York: Bantam Books.
^ Keesling, Barbara (2006). Sexual Healing. Alameda: Hunter House Inc.
^ Cohen Greene, Cheryl (2012). An Intimate Life. Berkeley: Soft Skull Press.

[1] ttp://www.alternet.org/what-its-being-male-sex-surrogate-helping-women-get-over-sexual-dysfunction

[2] Masters, William H.; Johnson, Virginia C. (1970). Human Sexual Inadequacy= New York. Little Brown and Company.

[3] Zilbergeld, Bernie (1999). The New Male Sexuality. New York: Bantam Books.

[4] Keesling, Barbara (2006). Sexual Healing. Alameda: Hunter House Inc.

[5] Cohen Greene, Cheryl (2012). An Intimate Life. Berkeley: Soft Skull Press.

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