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Request review
Hi, I've been looking at some of the edits made by Medgirl131 on the Alcohol page. Though I have undone some of them in the past, I would appreciate another editor having a look through the changes she has implemented. Kind regards EvilxFish (talk) 23:51, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- @EvilxFish: In her contribution history, she seems to have a desire to present ethanol as a drug as if that were its primary purpose. That purpose should certainly be acknowledged, but with appropriate weight and neutral POV. Some of her edits are OK and appropriate. Your changes looked OK to me. I made a couple more edits, including removing her implication that people consume beer to get at the trace amounts of other psychoactive alcohols present in it. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:04, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Alcohol/Ethanol
Hello. The editor interaction tool shows a massive overlap in interest (psychiatric medication, drugs, alcohol) between indefinitely blocked user David Hedlund and Medgirl131, and the latter account was created on 23 June 2014, between the former account's first (48h) and second (first indef) block. Hedlund, a very prolific editor who edited at very high speed, just like Medgirl131 does, created the first incarnation of Alcohol (drug) in 2014, as an undiscussed split from Ethanol, and then proceeded to change all links relating to alcoholic beverages and alcohol consumption to point to his new article, just like Medgirl131 has been doing over the last few days. I don't have time to delve deeper into it right now, but based on what I have found so far, including "interesting" timelines on some articles, I would say that there's an 80-90%, or better, probability that David Hedlund and Medgirl131 are one and the same... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 18:04, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Thomas.W: This really needs to be reported at WP:SPI. It may be too late for a checkuser to do anything, but at least we might get a consensus from administrators. I'm not too keen on blocking since the user's edits haven't damaged the project for the most part. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:45, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- I didn't expect you to block them based on what I've found so far, it was intended only to inform you about the similarities, and get more eyes on it. Hedlund hasn't edited since 12 May 2017, way past the magical three months, and I don't think there are any CU-logs, because there has never been any need for CU-checks, since the IP-socks that have been blocked were blocked because of a combination of very loud quacking and geolocation. So to make a case at SPI will take tons of diffs. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 20:07, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- However, the IP address confirmed by quacking in the current SPI case can be used to compare with the geographic location of Medgirl131. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:12, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- People on the level where Hedlund apparently is (based on subject areas and articles created) often move from one university to another, even on different continents, so knowing what the geolocation was a couple of years ago doesn't really help (Umeå in Sweden is a university town, and the geolocation that Medgirl131 has kindly provided us with, see 17:30-17:31UTC here, doesn't seem to be a proxy, even though I could be wrong, has a handful of colleges/universities within commuting distance...). - Tom | Thomas.W talk 20:34, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Medgirl131 is also doing a lot of logged-out editing on the same type of articles, using a whole IPv6 /64-net, i.e. what a single user gets, from a static broadband connection from AT&T Universe (see this check of the IP-contributions from the whole /64 that the IP above belongs to; a check based on the information provided by Medgirl131 themself, so no outing...). . - Tom | Thomas.W talk 20:43, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- In that case, I think it would be good to get more admins involved in examining behavioral evidence, since geolocation and checkuser wouldn't be conclusive. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Since you can see deleted pages, but I can't, would you mind comparing the lede and infobox of this to what the first incarnation of the article (deleted in 2014 AFAIK) looked like? I want to know if it is a copy of the old article that has been saved somewhere off-Wiki and then recycled, or a new article, written from scratch... 23:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- There are only 4 deleted edits in the history of alcohol (drug) and they are all redirects to an obsolete title Alcohols (drug) (plural), no prose, no infobox. One of the versions has an RFD nomination, that's all. Any revision with content is available in the article history. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:43, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- There has to be more, since the deletion log shows "99 edits restored". Is there a "paper trail" to follow if an article has been deleted, restored and moved to user space? Because we also have this deleted draft and this deleted userpage. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 09:35, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
- There are only 4 deleted edits in the history of alcohol (drug) and they are all redirects to an obsolete title Alcohols (drug) (plural), no prose, no infobox. One of the versions has an RFD nomination, that's all. Any revision with content is available in the article history. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:43, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Since you can see deleted pages, but I can't, would you mind comparing the lede and infobox of this to what the first incarnation of the article (deleted in 2014 AFAIK) looked like? I want to know if it is a copy of the old article that has been saved somewhere off-Wiki and then recycled, or a new article, written from scratch... 23:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- In that case, I think it would be good to get more admins involved in examining behavioral evidence, since geolocation and checkuser wouldn't be conclusive. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- Medgirl131 is also doing a lot of logged-out editing on the same type of articles, using a whole IPv6 /64-net, i.e. what a single user gets, from a static broadband connection from AT&T Universe (see this check of the IP-contributions from the whole /64 that the IP above belongs to; a check based on the information provided by Medgirl131 themself, so no outing...). . - Tom | Thomas.W talk 20:43, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- People on the level where Hedlund apparently is (based on subject areas and articles created) often move from one university to another, even on different continents, so knowing what the geolocation was a couple of years ago doesn't really help (Umeå in Sweden is a university town, and the geolocation that Medgirl131 has kindly provided us with, see 17:30-17:31UTC here, doesn't seem to be a proxy, even though I could be wrong, has a handful of colleges/universities within commuting distance...). - Tom | Thomas.W talk 20:34, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- However, the IP address confirmed by quacking in the current SPI case can be used to compare with the geographic location of Medgirl131. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:12, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
- I didn't expect you to block them based on what I've found so far, it was intended only to inform you about the similarities, and get more eyes on it. Hedlund hasn't edited since 12 May 2017, way past the magical three months, and I don't think there are any CU-logs, because there has never been any need for CU-checks, since the IP-socks that have been blocked were blocked because of a combination of very loud quacking and geolocation. So to make a case at SPI will take tons of diffs. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 20:07, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
@Thomas.W: Aha. Yes, you're correct. The article had been moved to Draft:Alcohol (drug) in 2014 (in fact, I performed that move myself and don't remember doing it). Then the draft got deleted after it got stale, after which in 2015 a new one got created in main space. I have restored the draft merged the draft into the main space article, so you can now see the entire history. The talk page histories have been merged also. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:48, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
- Comment They are NOT the same person with 99.9% accuracy. One worked mostly on alcohol related articles (David) the other works mostly on hormone related articles (Medgirl). Both worked on some of WP:PHARM most viewed articles. But so do a bunch of the core editing community of WPMED and WPPHARM. David struggled per[1] and other comments on his talk page. Medgirl has not. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:34, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Doc James: Have you checked their overlapping interests? Edits on alcohol related articles made up only a relatively minor part of David Hedlund's edits here, the majority of his edits were on articles about other things, including psychoactive drugs, psychiatric medication and illegal drugs, subjects that Medgirl131 also seems to be very interested in. There are well over 300 articles that have been edited by both of the named accounts (David Hedlund and Medgirl131), including articles about just about every psychoactive drug/substance there is, and if you add the IPs that both of them are known to have used they have even more in common, including outliers like Linux gaming and Penis size. Medgirl131 was also created between Hedlund's first (48h) and second (first indefinite) block, when Hedlund knew that his then current account was heading for an indefinite block... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 22:32, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- Medgirl and I have more than 1,000 articles overlapping.[2] David and I have more than 200 articles overlapping.[3]
- That tool does not hold much weight. Med and David have different editing styles, use different types of refs, one follows WPMEDMOS and WPMEDRS while the other did not.
- I believe that David is from Sweden and male. Med is not. The links you mention are incredibly tentative. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:39, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Doc James: People often move from one university to another, including from one country to another, so what the geolocation was a couple of years ago doesn't matter, and do you know for a fact that Medgirl is female? I'm not sure about the two accounts being a single person, but since multiple editors, independent of each other (I saw similarities btween the two before anyone else mentioned it, but did nothing until others started commenting on it...) see similarities between the two and there's a lot of overlap in interest I intend to do some digging. It doesn't have top priority, though, and I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not wrong we're heading for trouble here, considering Hedlund's repeated POV-pushing on every subject that interested him, using both his account and this and other IPs, if we don't do anything about it. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 23:08, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- Yes I am sure. The community that works on medical content is small and many of us know each other via various means. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:25, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Doc James: People often move from one university to another, including from one country to another, so what the geolocation was a couple of years ago doesn't matter, and do you know for a fact that Medgirl is female? I'm not sure about the two accounts being a single person, but since multiple editors, independent of each other (I saw similarities btween the two before anyone else mentioned it, but did nothing until others started commenting on it...) see similarities between the two and there's a lot of overlap in interest I intend to do some digging. It doesn't have top priority, though, and I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not wrong we're heading for trouble here, considering Hedlund's repeated POV-pushing on every subject that interested him, using both his account and this and other IPs, if we don't do anything about it. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 23:08, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Doc James: Have you checked their overlapping interests? Edits on alcohol related articles made up only a relatively minor part of David Hedlund's edits here, the majority of his edits were on articles about other things, including psychoactive drugs, psychiatric medication and illegal drugs, subjects that Medgirl131 also seems to be very interested in. There are well over 300 articles that have been edited by both of the named accounts (David Hedlund and Medgirl131), including articles about just about every psychoactive drug/substance there is, and if you add the IPs that both of them are known to have used they have even more in common, including outliers like Linux gaming and Penis size. Medgirl131 was also created between Hedlund's first (48h) and second (first indefinite) block, when Hedlund knew that his then current account was heading for an indefinite block... - Tom | Thomas.W talk 22:32, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
Request for HipChat/Stride Page Move
Hi Anachronist,
I saw that you moved the Hipchat page to a new page (Stride). Would you mind moving it back to Hipchat? The reason I'm asking is that Hipchat is still a separate product and is not going away. See here - https://www.atlassian.com/software/hipchat/enterprise/data-center While HipChat cloud will eventually go away, HipChat Data Center will be continuing on as a product. See here: https://confluence.atlassian.com/stride-documentation/faq-stride-and-hipchat-data-center-937165566.html Maybe Stride needs a separate page entirely?
Thanks!
- I saw that too while considering the page move, and thought long and hard about it. What finally convinced me is that the hipchat.com domain now redirects to stride.com (so it made sense for our HipChat title to redirect to Stride). Also there is no way to actually start your own hipchat instance anymore as a try-before-buy deal. You basically have to get your IT department to install the HipChat Data Center product. Atlassian clearly intends for Stride to be the replacement. I don't see the need for separate pages because both HipChat and Stride are functionally identical except for some additional features in Stride (focus mode and switching in and out of video conferencing). At most, the article would need a sentence clarifying the end of HipChat Cloud and the continuation of HipChat Data Center.
- This move was me following WP:BOLD. I suggest getting a larger community consensus by initiating a WP:RM discussion. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:50, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi Anachronist,
It looks like there is still a HipChat website, it just moved here: https://www.atlassian.com/software/hipchat/enterprise/data-center And you can try HipChat Data Center for free, see here: https://www.atlassian.com/software/hipchat/enterprise/data-center?_ga=2.20896188.581830972.1505664494-1671403194.1495485606#download
Here is a quote regarding the difference between HipChat Cloud (which is going away) and HipChat Data Center: "At their core, both HipChat Data Center and Stride are team communication tools with the goal of supporting team collaboration. Although there may be some overlap in features, they are two separate products built for two different deployment use cases. They also leverage different technology and have different feature sets. The primary difference between HipChat Data Center and Stride is the deployment model - HipChat Data Center is self-hosted and Stride is in the Atlassian Cloud. More specific feature differences between HipChat Data Center and Stride today include: Identity management: HipChat Data Center supports SAML and integration with active directory. Stride does not currently support SAML, but will soon. Actions and Decisions: Provide structure for on-topic, productive communication and tie your team's conversations to action-oriented outcomes. Mark any message as an Action or Decision with a single click."
"Does this mean that HipChat Data Center will no longer receive investment? No, HipChat Data Center will continue to be our self-hosted team communication offering while Stride focuses on serving our cloud customers. We are doubling down on HipChat Data Center to provide our self-hosted customers with an experience customized for their needs." Source: https://confluence.atlassian.com/stride-documentation/faq-stride-and-hipchat-data-center-937165566.html
I'm still of the opinion that HipChat Data Center should have one page and Stride should have a separate page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmharrison4 (talk • contribs) 22:28, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
- OK, you have convinced me that the topics should be separate. I have reverted my page move, so the article is now HipChat again. I also reverted some of my changes. I have created a new article Stride (software) and moved the additions I had made to HipChat into Stride. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:03, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you! I really appreciate it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmharrison4 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Jiaogulan
Hi Anachronist,
You removed my remark on alterative names in the Gynostemma pentaphyllum.
HOWEVER, I did 3 year research on Gynostemma Penthaphyllum, AND i wrote a book about it. The most important Historical Name is Missing!
Please let me add the name on page, i will put a reference to my book.
Das Kleine Handbuch des Jiaogulan Tee. ISBN 9781549746864
kind regards, mr peter oldenburger -bioherby, botanical researche institute.
- Bioherby appears to be a site intended to sell products, to promote rather than to inform. The book also appears to be self-published and unreviewed. As such, neither one would be considered a reliable source on the English Wikipedia, and I'm not the only person who has been removing links to that site.
- Also, you have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. You should never cite your own work or link to your own website on the English Wikipedia. At most, you can propose your addition on talk pages.
- The place to get a community consensus on whether your book or your website would be considered a reliable source is Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. You can open a section there, or if you prefer, I can do it (although it will have to wait, since I'm at work today). 19:15, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Thanks you for your quick reply :)
Well, I just released my book, so it has not been reviewed yet.
The thing is the most important name of gynostemma in history is now missing from the wikipedia gynostemma_penthaphyllum page..
The link that I posted was not a sales or product page but an informative page, namely my personal blog about healthy herbs.
I made a reference to my Gynostemma : the Origins of the Immortality Herb Blog post. In that blog i quote from my book.
If you can help me I would really appreciate that!
I am a Gynostemma lover, and my company is dedicated to Organic Gynostemma. I can sent you 100grams for free, so you can try and see the superb quality for yourself!
Kind Regards
Peter
- I don't believe you understand the situation. Your whole web site exists to promote products. When you say "help me" I must ask, help you with what? Wikipedia isn't a publicity platform, and shouldn't be used that way. The question is whether your book or your website can be considered reliable sources on Wikipedia. Generally, self-published books and blogs aren't considered reliable here for the purpose of citing sources (see WP:BLOGS), unless you are known as an expert in your field by virtue of previous publications in reliable sources that are independent of you. If your book cites any authoritative sources regarding an alternative name for jiaogulan, then those sources should be cited instead of a tertiary source. Thank you for the offer, but I already own at least a kilogram of Thailand-grown organic Jiaogulan tea leaves, enough to last years. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:33, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
You removed a WP:CSD#G13 template on Draft:David F. Golightly and hadn't left a reason. Can you please clarify why did you remove this speedy deletion template. Thanks, Pkbwcgs (talk) 20:21, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
- It should be obvious from looking at the page logs. After restoring a draft article due to a request from WP:REFUND, it is standard to remove the g13 template to reset the clock for the next deletion. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:34, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Mubariz Ibrahimov edits
I appreciate your protecting of the page Mubariz Ibrahimov, can you please take the time to consider restoring at least some of the edits that were lost. Most of them where sourced quite well actually.--Syong Lee (talk) 03:40, 12 October 2017 (UTC)