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Mark Twain

Is mentioned in this article and the template, but the gist of the Is Shakespeare Dead? article seems to be that he wasn´t very serious. Should we remove him, or expand this article with that possibility? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:11, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

According to "Contested Will. Who Wrote Shakespeare?" by James Shapiro, Twain was in important proponent of the idea that Shakespeare didn't do it. His standpoint was that you could not write on a subject unless you had experienced it. According to Shapiro, Twain actually sent someone to South Africa to take notes so he could write a book set there. The man died on the way, so Twain had to write Tom Sawyer instead. --Hob Gadling (talk) 13:33, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:05, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Ben Elton: Only snobbish, elitist Britain could say that Shakespeare didn’t write his own plays

I don´t think this is anything that can be used as a source, but it was interesting, nonetheless.

• "Upstart Crow creator Ben Elton on the myth that Shakespeare didn't exist". Radio Times. 2016-05-09. Retrieved 2017-10-04.

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:21, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, that's an entertaining read, with some interesting observations. Johnuniq (talk) 00:35, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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Proof Of Oxfordian Authorship Of Shake-Spearean Corpus

It is very easy to prove that Oxford–Edward de Vere, 17th Earl–was the author of the Shake-Spearean corpus. Don't be too critical, now in my eighties, I have contributed to the debate in various groups & media for several decades. So, I'll just enumerate a few points.

  1.  The Shake-Speare name should always be used hyphenated, as it appears on the Sonnets & in some other of his posthumous works.  It was a title de Vere earned winning three-times the jousting championship at the tilts. The victor shaking his jousting lance above his head in triumph can be seen in the movies.  There even is a Latin form "hastam vibrans," whose origin I don't know.
  2.  The humble Warwickshire wool merchant William Shaxpere would not have possessed the courtly language of the plays, no matter how his education is hyped up.  There is a town called Stratford (OE for "paved way to a ford"), Stratford, London within East London a few miles from Hackney where de Vere lived, and "Avon" is Welsh for "River," so could be any of the Bow Back Rivers.  De Vere seems to have had catholic leanings, but I haven't looked into it.
  3.  Scandals alleged in Oxford's background & life demanded secrecy of his authorship, beside drama & poetic writing being unseemly for a top courtier.  
  4. Among many excellent accounts is Jonathan Bond's book that will leave you in no doubt.  He focusses on the cyphers in the dedication of the Sonnets.  This he convincingly argues was written by de Vere himself, not by his posthumous publisher Thorpe.  The 144 letters can be arranged in rectangles or grilles according to any factorization.  I like the factors 9x16=144, in prime powers (9 columns & 16 rows).  For some reason Bond's book does not show this. I found the word "RUNE" = secret message which is common.  It's in a diagonal slanting down SE from the col. 2, row 5 position.  Then down in col. 1, we read plaintext English "ELSE WE," so we have already the beginning of a warning to the reader who might be insightful and reveal what these sonnets are about, "RUNE, ELSE WE ..."  This can be completed reading up and down the columns, to form an admonishment for silence:   
      RUNE ELSE WE SIT LEG IN IR[O]N A NO WIT BET
  4.1. The word "IRON" always has the letter "O" missing, occurring eight times, up, down, diagonal and angular.  
  5. In three parts double-spaced, I found the name "[WR][IOTH][ESLEY]" in col.s 1 & 2.
  6. For the specific association with Edward de Vere, see numerous places, including Bond's book, & the blog "The Hyphen, The Mask & The Daughter." hgwb 05:14, 11 February 2018 (UTC)