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May 2014

Hello, I'm Plantsurfer. Your recent edit to the page Charophyceae appears to have added incorrect information, so I have removed it for now. If you believe the information was correct, please cite a reliable source or discuss your change on the article's talk page. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Plantsurfer (talk) 08:56, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm Plantsurfer. Your recent edit to the page Green algae appears to have added incorrect information, so I have removed it for now. If you believe the information was correct, please cite a reliable source or discuss your change on the article's talk page. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Plantsurfer (talk) 09:00, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, as you did at Charophyta, you may be blocked from editing. Plantsurfer (talk) 09:04, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

dear plantsurfer

I have http://lifeofplant.blogspot.nl/2011/05/charophyceae.html which appears to invalidate you statement that my edits are incorrect information. Bear with me while I'm trying to find more information on this.

Error on Charophyceae

Your edit on Charophyceae stated "Monophyletic Charophyceae could include Embryophytes." That is an impossible relationship, because Embryophyta is a taxon at a much level than Charophyceae. Please refer to the individual articles for clarification.Plantsurfer (talk) 09:29, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Plantsurfer: In the article I referred to it states: Furthermore, several recent analyses support the notion that a member of the Charophyceae gave rise to embryophytes. Which appears to render your impossibility possible. The comments on the talk page of another user indicate the same. I'm reverting your reversion with some references. Please advise me with your wiseness. -Jmv2009.

Dear Plansurfer,

What was wrong with the green algae edits?

Thanks, Jmv2009

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Sorry, I accidentally caught a couple of your edits reverting some other stuff at IPv6. I see you've put it back. Again, my apologies. Rwessel (talk) 22:40, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Competence issues at Template:Plant classification

What do you mean by this edit [1]? You're making edits that are plainly wrong, going against talk page consensus and edit warring / faffing about. If you're going to make controversial changes you should gain consensus of talk pages. It also doesn't appear that you necessary Competence to be editing sensitive templates. See also edits like [2] [3] and [4] which mess up a perfectly good template. If you have competence issues you don't have the required skill level to edit Wikipedia. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 19:53, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As noted, the other authors insisted on putting the traditionally excluded clades from paraphyletic clades on the same level. I couldn't get through to them that this is misleading, and reach consensus on a more consistent layout. The proper way is to put the paraphyletic group one level wider, and include the traditionally excluded group. Several different tries to improve the situation were attempted, with increasing consideration of the objections of other people. People were reacting increasingly emotional with no real argument. I'll leave it alone. Furthermore, I disagree with the assesment that they were "messed up". Different emphasis (Clarity/Space/simplicity/accuracy) give different results. I also disagree with the assesment that they are not cladograms. In virtually all templates, the cladistic classification is fully followed.--JMV2009

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A page you started (Neokaryotes) has been reviewed!

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Rather than creating isolated, largely redundant stubs consisting primarily of cladograms, it might be more instructive to redirect and discuss the proposed Orthokaryotes and Neokaryotes within a single article, e.g. Eukaryote#Phylogeny, to provide better context and balance to the reader. See for instance the four clades discussed at Myriapoda#Myriapod_relationships.

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Plantae

The almost universally accepted name/rank is Plantae. Please do not make sweeping changes to kingdom-level classification without community consensus. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:10, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Both viridiplantae and Plantae were used on wikipedia. In the literature, Plantae often means including gluacophyta and rhodophyta. e.g. [5]. Sometimes Plantae in viridiplantae was used, but there was no actual difference in the groups (this happens more often). So using Plantae had more issues that using viridiplantae.

Both names have articles, but the kingdom taxon by consent is Plantae. Many of the uses the violate this consensus were put in place by you. Stop.

FYI, I only recently changed some.Jmv2009 (talk) 15:08, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We also do not list multiple names in a taxobox except as synonyms, and only when they are actually synonyms. --EncycloPetey (talk) 15:04, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is some discussion going on with Plantae, as in the literature it appears usually senso lato, which made them synonyms. Let's wait for that discussion.

Parazoa

Jmv2009 -

There is a lot of conflicting information out about which taxa is the base. It is possible to refute Porifera and Ctenophora article for article. I suggest it might be more accurate at this time to express this something like this:

"At the present time there is no definite answer as to which taxa is the base taxa for all other animals. There have been reports that Porifera are the base taxa, which has been the traditional view, but there has been recent research that indicates Ctenophora may be the base taxa."

I have been in touch which several researchers and there is some information due to come out but the papers are currently embargoed that would tilt towards Porifera. Until the final consensus is in (which may be the twelfth of never) it might be worthwhile to provide a text indicating that this topic is a little squishy at the moment and also provide alternate versions of the clade diagram next to each other to reflect this.

There was a good paper that discussed the problem with statistical methodologies being used in that one method may provide strong results and another method may provide just as strong support. In addition, the choice of which samples to use complicates matters. Several papers have been published where the same data has been reanalyzed by a different methodology and different results where reached. And then there is the problem on Long Branch Artifacts. The farther back in time you go the more likely there could be a problem with LBAs due to variable rates of evolutionary change for genes that were not known, were not taken into account, or just didn't fit a notion.

So, I believe it might be a good idea to indicate that there is some discussion going on at this time as to which is the oldest, which would add authenticity to the Wikipedia entry.

As an aside, one of the reasons I favor Porifera is the discovery of fossil specimens of sponges or sponge like animals (they really do look like sponges) and of spicules in the fossil record that are older than 760 mya. That is a lot older than I am. I have not seen any records of Ctenophora in the fossil record that old. The fossils were found in Namibia. However, to stay pure at this point I believe e it would be better to indicate there is a discussion going on and there is no definite answer yet.Yerginml (talk) 18:32, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Yergin

Dear Marc, thank you for your comments. Briefly before your comments, I had already added the alternative Porifera-sister hypothesis to the article. Now, I added even more hedging. Furthermore, I resurrected the Diploblast article, which encompasses the sister-Porifera hypothesis. Please feel free to add more refs to that article. Also see the Animal article for more such discussion. More sources are always welcome (especially secondary ones!). Strictly speaking, we should actually not even be acting on primary sources, let alone embargoed papers. But let's see whether the tilting towards Porifera is actually over the vertical position. Then, there is still the possibility of a Porifera-Ctenophora clade. In the Whelan paper, when the genes which were likely to causing long branch attraction (fast evolving ones?) were removed, the Ctenophora-basal hypotheses got more basal, not less. The main problem of a late divergence date of the Ctenophora was not resolved by improved Ctenophora sampling. However, the divergence date was pushed earlier (to ~350 Million years ago). Also 760 Million years ago may not mean much, see ^[1] Jmv2009 (talk) 07:55, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jim -

The 760 mya wasn't from phylogenomic data - It was from finding a fossil that was 760 mya old. Blew me away when I read the following article:

Brain, C.K., et al (2012) The first animals: ca 760-million-year-old sponge-like fossils from Nambia. 108(1/2) Art #658 8 pages.

It has a really nice photo of the fossil that looks remarkably like extant sponges from today. Like I said, it really did blow me away.

This is my first venture into commenting on Wikipedia articles. I am impressed by how nice the discourse has been. If you ever need help with an article or information on sponges/porifera please do not hesitate to contact me. I still like the old saw that I heard more than 50 years ago in a zoology class (my first one): "Under the most carefully controlled conditions a living organism will do whatever it dam well pleases." I guess it holds as well for the historical record as well. When that embargoed article is out I'll let you know. Marc

It is true that it appears that actual fossils in that era occur way after the from molecular clocks apparent origination date.Jmv2009 (talk) 18:54, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Dohrmann, Martin; Wörheide, Gert (2017-06-15). "Dating early animal evolution using phylogenomic data". Scientific Reports. 7 (1). doi:10.1038/s41598-017-03791-w. ISSN 2045-2322.

Megavirus?

Hi, you've removed from Eukaryote both refs and the mention of ?Megavirus? with ref to a paper "Symbiosis in eukaryotic evolution" which doesn't even mention the word megavirus. Why? If something is a hoax then fine, but if not, then surely we at least have to mention it and say it's discredited by x, y, and z. What's going on? Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:06, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It does not mention Megavirus, but it does mention "giant viruses". I took them to be the same concept, but maybe I'm wrong?Jmv2009 (talk) 01:16, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps they are, perhaps not. Seems a flaky basis for decisions. Assuming you're right for the moment, why would that justify total removal rather than saying that there was once a theory about Megaviruses but now that's discredited? Why would you not say that? Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:08, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. I had recently put that cladogram in (copied from Proteoarchaeota), and it seemed a bit much, too much clutter, and not very well supported/too speculative. There is also room for hypothesis about the nucleus in the rest of the article. Thanks for your comments.Jmv2009 (talk) 17:24, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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@Souvik Nova: I did not do such thing.Jmv2009 (talk) 09:27, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Dohrmann, Martin; Wörheide, Gert (2017-06-15). "Dating early animal evolution using phylogenomic data". Scientific Reports. 7 (1). doi:10.1038/s41598-017-03791-w. ISSN 2045-2322.

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