Talk:The Rankin Family

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Hello Who is the unofficial member who sings lead in "Maybe You're Right?" She has a notable Kazakh sounding accent, or at least a non-North American Soviet/Central Asian-sounding accent. 199.101.62.225 (talk) 11:14, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

The lead in "Maybe You're Right"is the very Canadian Cookie Rankin. --Khajidha (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Cookie was born in Yerevan, not in Canada. She married into the Rankins but was a Minasyan, never guessed she'd do lead vocals though. 199.101.62.225 (talk) 05:53, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Her non-Canadian-ness is evident in her speaking voice too. My guess of her accent was close, she was born in the Soviet Union, in yerevan. I live in Canada now and spent time out in Nova Scotia, and their accents are nowhere close to Cookie's accent. Granted she has lost most of her Soviet accent but it's still there. "arre you 'thde real fing" "assowded foundation" etc.

199.101.62.225 (talk) 06:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Cookie's sister, Elena Minasyan provides vocals on the song "Simple Things" by pianist Jim Brickman 199.101.62.225 (talk) 06:13, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Bullshit. Cookie is a Rankin by birth, born in Inverness, Cape Breton. --Khajidha (talk) 12:48, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

And the singer on "Simple Things" is Rebecca Lynn Howard. --Khajidha (talk) 13:02, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

No it isn't Rebecca. That's an American singer, and there is no such place as Inverness, Nova Scotia, unless you can get coordinates my GF can't locate it on her app. I've been to Inverness Scotland, but again, that's not a Canadian accent on MYR, and Simple Thigns is not sung by a yank, unless Apple music is lying

199.101.62.225 (talk) 21:42, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

1) https://www.tripadvisor.com/Tourism-g1841318-Inverness_Cape_Breton_Island_Nova_Scotia-Vacations.html It's a small, rural community. See Inverness, Nova Scotia.

2) I don't know why you think those accents are not Canadian or American, but the simple facts are that the women singing are Canadian and American.

3) The cover of the single itself says it is Rebecca Lynn Howard. Simple Things (Jim Brickman song) --Khajidha (talk) 23:24, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Then please explain why I see the name Elena Minasyan on Simple Things?

Again, I spent time in Nova Scotia and Cookies accent is about as Uncanadian as it gets. Canadians don't pronounce words like "assorted" as "assauwded" or "is this my immagination" as "Is dis my immaginashone), etc. Compare it to the accent of youtuber "Miss ASMR, " the accents are damn near identical. Same with th eSimple things voice. 199.101.62.225 (talk) 00:34, 22 June 2019 (UTC) 199.101.62.225 (talk) 00:34, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Look, I agree with you about the Kiev issue, but however I can't find what you're saying about Cookie. I can find Heather Rankin's bio, Jim Rankin's bio (though it is missing the fact that James Rankin the voice actor and Jimmy Rankin the singer are the same person, not separate people). I however can't find anything that states wher Cookie was born or even that she is a Rankin.

Minasyan is an Armenian surname meaning "Son of Minas, " according to my girlfriend who is a British-born Armenian. (meaning that she was born and raised in England but is of Armenian descent.) I haven't presented the Cookie Rankin theory to her but we both are seeing the same name ot he Simple Things song by Brickman and Minasyan, not Rebecca.

199.101.62.225 (talk) 00:37, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Maybe Brickman rerecorded it later with Minasyan? The original release WAS with Rebecca Lynn Howard. Personal experience with accents is not a valid source. I know many people whose accents do not match what one would assume from their background. Not to mention that the line isn't "assorted", it's "a sordid preoccupation or a decent human being". The facts about Cookie are in this very article. The entire "Background" paragraph.--Khajidha (talk) 01:26, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Think about it though, how would a Canadian get a South Caucasian accent like that? 199.101.62.225 (talk) 01:30, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

i've done research on Armenians in Canada, and Nova Scotia has almost none. How would somebody born West of the Atlantic Ocean like you believe Cookie to be pick up a South Caucasian accent when Nova Scotia is so far removed from the Caucasus region, which is where Armenia is? 199.101.62.225 (talk) 01:33, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Or maybe you just aren't as good at picking out accents as you think. Especially when someone is singing. Singing accents are often different from speaking accents. Every obituary I can find for Raylene identifies Cookie as her sister. Also, the faces of the various Rankin siblings are quite similar. --Khajidha (talk) 01:36, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Also, is the recording by Minasyan actually WITH Brickman or is it something like "Elena Minasyan singing Jim Brickman's Simple Things"? --Khajidha (talk) 02:05, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry about the late reply, wifi up here is crap, it cuts in and out fro mtime to time, which also means I hav eto log into a different network and thus IP hop from time to time unintentionally.

Anyway, To answer your second post, The info for the version I have of Simple Thigns is this: Song name: Simple Things: Artist: Elena Minasyan Album: Greatest Hits Album Artist: Jim Brickman Composer: Jim Brickman, Darrell Brown & Beth Nielsen Chapman genre: pop year: 1999

Some versions I found list Jim Brickman as the artist instead of Elena Minasyan, but the download I have is Elena.

My girlfriend however searched for Elena Minasyan and can't find it on her phone. I've never heard of a yank named Rebecca Howard, and the voice I hear is not American or even the same voice, the voice is closer to that of Chechen-Canadian singer Tania Hancheroff, confirming for me at least that Minasyan, who has a similar accent to Cookie sings Simple Things.

Also I am blind, so I have to go by voice. That's why I can't do in-line citatino of sources on Wikipedia, nor can I create an account at the moment due to the captcha being visual, and my girlfriend not caring for me being on Wikipedia. 199.101.62.225 (talk) 10:09, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a cover version. Brickman cowrote the song, but he did not play on that version. --Khajidha (talk) 11:27, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Wait, looking at your listing again, it seems he did play on that version, but it is not the mpst famous version.--Khajidha (talk) 11:29, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Maybe that solves the mystery.

Anyway, the reason this matters a lot to me is because of my backstory.

Most people consider me British, and for most intents and purposes, I am, even though I now live in Canada. I grew up in London, I speak with a Southern English accent (not Queen's English, and not RP either), and I am extremely British. However, not many people acknowledge where I am actually from, as I spent the first 5 years of my life in Nakfa, Eritrea. I am actually Eritrean. It is extremely rare for people to acknowledge that I am Eritrean, I am referred to as being British, without that important part of my identity being acknowledged. This is why a person's birth place means a lot to me, because what if like me, that person is born outside of Canada, like fore example British-born singer Kim Esty, who is stupidly listed as being Toronto-born? Some people also refuse to acknowledge that Kim Sozzi was actually born South of the equator in the city of Durban due to their American pride. Mavie Marcos is another example of a non-U.S. born American. It is part of a person's story, their identity, where they come from. That is why it means this much to me. 199.101.62.225 (talk) 16:54, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

First off, your assertions about these other women ALSO need citations beyond your own interpretation of their accents. I neither know nor care where they were born. Second, many people who were born in one place but never really lived there for long don't feel that that is an "important part of [their] identity" but rather a bit of ultimately meaningless trivia. Identity is very complex. However, given your feelings about your own identity, I would expect you to be more respectful of other people's identities and not just go around asserting that you know "the truth" with no reliable sourcing to back it up.--Khajidha (talk) 17:36, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Kim Sozzi on BPm stated she was born in Durban, a couple websites say so, same with marcos, and Kim Esty, who has a rather strong British accent is described as a Eurodance singer, key word here, eurodance, not North Americadance.

199.101.62.225 (talk) 20:10, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

I'll leave the Sozzi references for others to examine, but "Eurodance" is a genre not a declaration of birthplace. Just as singers of American country music can be from a big city or singers of American Western music can be from the East, so can Eurodance artists be from outside of Europe. --Khajidha (talk) 23:16, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

So why is it okay for me to say that Cookie Rankin was born in Armenia without a real source, yet people state that Kim Esty was born in Toronto with no real source save for another encyclopedia? That would be just like Wikipedia using Britanica as a source or else reverse. Also these wifi issues are driving me mental, that is why my replies are so late. 199.101.62.225 (talk) 22:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm not saying anything about Miss Esty and we shouldn't list a birthplace for her on here without a reliable source. Neither an assumption that she was born where she grew up or your identification of accents is a reliable source. What other sites do is irrelevant to us except insofar as they might be considered reliable sources. Other user generated sites are not considered reliable sources here. --Khajidha (talk) 23:10, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Since this article already includes references to Cookie Rankin's birth and the rest of this is totally irrelevant to this article, I suggest you initiate discussions at those other articles and produce whatever sources you can find for your assertions. I have no interest in these other singers and my only concern with their articles would be that, where ever they are from, we do not state any location as their places of birth without actual sources. I consider this conversation closed. --Khajidha (talk) 23:22, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

How do you do the close thing for this discussion? 199.101.62.225 (talk) 10:37, 24 June 2019 (UTC)