Talk:Halo 3

To cut down on page length, older discussions are archived through [Nov 13, 2006]. gspawn 04:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Needler

It never says in the cited article that the needler will not be dual weildable. Pelase do not post non-factual information. --Justaperson117 00:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't edit the article, but it's known for a fact the Needler is now only single wieldable. It's on the Bungie site (Honestly, I can't be bothered looking) and in the EGM blowout which I have personally read. 81.109.94.62 18:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

LEVEL Halo 3 Blowout

Swedish gaming magazine called LEVEL has a Halo 3 blowout, showing several new weapons, including a Brute Spiker, a Spartan Laser, and the Battle Rifle. These are confirmed please do not delete them. Peptuck 15:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

It may be confirmed via this magazine, but due to copywright law on Wikipedia.org, do not upload the scans to the Wikipedia servers.Darthbob100 16:22, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep Bungie confirmed them [1] as being legit but they also don't want copyright troubles. I must admit they look cool:) James086 ^{Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review!} 16:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The Mongoose ATV is also featured, and nicknamed "Mini-Warthog".

Where is this alternate name for the Spartan Laser coming from? I haven't seen it in any confirmed media released thus far. until I can get a cite, I'm removing it. Peptuck 03:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I've replaced links to scans, they were already there but remove if copyright infringement. Also, someone should make a section for multiplayer and a section for singleplayer.. Sir Teh 21:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Why was the BR55 Battle Rifle deleted? Any reason? Superbowlbound 02:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Enemies

How is it that the Covenant are enemies again? @ the end of the second one many species were allied with the humans.Cameron Nedland 01:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The only allies were the small group of elites on Delta Halo (and that was an uneasy truce to stop tartarus) and a small group of marines. The elites still attacked the Maser Chief on the last few levels when they were done fighting brutes. They are still attacking Earth. However please don't let this turn into a discussion of the Halo storyline, it is a talk page for discussing changes to the article. :) James086 ^{Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review!} 03:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

No. You have one group of Elites with some Hunters who are not shooting at humans and a pair of humans who are not shooting at Elites and Hunters, and both groups shooting at a group of Brutes because said Brutes are committing genocide of Elites and attempting to spell the end of the galaxy, all on a remote corner of a remote ringworld many light-years away from where the vast, extended majority of the Covenant and humanity are still merrily blasting the hell out of each other. There is only a brief, tenuous alliance that has absolutely no indication of spreading outward to the vast majority of either sides' remaining forces. Peptuck 04:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

What he said! James086 ^{Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review!} 04:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad.Cameron Nedland 17:50, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

It also should be noted that in Halo: Ghosts of Onyx, the Elites are still quite intent on killing humans even after the revolution begins. So clearly the truce is either limited in scope or timeframe. Peptuck 09:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

However, Delta Halo is a far way from most of the fleet, which is probly attacking Earth, so they probly haven't heard of the truth yet. Plus, Ghosts of Onyx doesn't nessesary take place during Halo 3, just after Halo 2 (as well as diffrent pionts in the timeline), so at the end of Halo 3 the Chief might be teaming up with the sepretists.The Gamer 13 9:12 PM 11/27/06

1up 3 weeks

[2] JAF1970 04:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Spike Grenade?

How it that the image used as a reference shows a spike grenade? There is a frag going off in the far left. There appears to be spikes coming off the warthog turret but I think they are just sparks. Has the article been translated into English and I missed something? James086 ^{Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review!} 06:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Look right up at the top in the centre of thee sky of that picture.

To me that looks like a spiked club or some new alien weapon (flying from someone's dead hands?), not a grenade. That looks big, like a sniper-rifle size, not grenade sized. James086 ^{Talk | Contribs|Currently up for Editor Review!} 12:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that looks like that Spike Grenade, or maybe even a club like James was talking about. Tonster^{User talk:Tonster 15:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC}}

The spike gernade looks like a club. Pick up a copy of EGM, they have a good picture of it.

Mongoose ATV UNSC Designation

Does anyone have a official UNSC Designation for the Mongoose ATV that we could use in the Confirmed Elements section? Tonster 15:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Mini-Warthog. LMAO JAF1970 21:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Halo 3 preorders have begun

Added the pricing structure. JAF1970 18:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Image of the Legendary edition is here, but am unsure of the rights to the image. If someone gets the rights to post it, please do. JAF1970 20:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Moreover, Microsoft nor Bungie has actually announced any sort of pricing detail.Darthbob100 01:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. I listed what EB Games and Gamestop are charging. It's subject to change, sure, but...JAF1970 02:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Eh, for now, just keep it like that. But when any sort of pricing detail happens...well, you know the drill. darthbob 06:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

1UP corrects Halo 3 rumors

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154831 I'm too tired to update -- someone else sort out the stuff in this big news item. :) JAF1970 04:49, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's called a Man Cannon. Just because it's a silly name doesn't mean it's not real, and Bungie states it's the name they're going with.JAF1970 16:10, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Stop removing it. It's a real name for a real feature in the game. Don't like it? Contact Bungie and complain. Whether it's a vehicle or a catapult weapon is questionable -- if you want to categorize it as a weapon, fine, but it's both a weapon and a transport.JAF1970 17:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I just want to say i feel very strong right now for not snickering everytime i read the words Man Cannon WookMuff 06:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

---Im not sure the final name for it will be "Man Cannon". The people at Bungie call it that and I quote(taken from the EGM's Halo 3 blow-out article): "We call it the Man Cannon becuase it makes us laugh."

HALO 3 BLOW OUT INFO! YOU CAN THANK ME LATER!!!!!!!!!!!1111ONE 11!!1!ONE !!!111ONE!!!ONE!!111

Okay you guys got THREE days to add all this info in, or that's it, I will.

info 1 - http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/743/743189p1.html

info 2 - http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/742/742313p1.html

Zabrak 01:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, Zabrak, whatever would we do without you... ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 01:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice finds. :) —Disavian (^talk/_contribs) 03:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Vehicles and Weapons

I'm re-adding the Wraith to the vehicle list, it was confirmed by Bungie yesterday.

"Posted: 11/2/2006 6:01 PM

Minus 12, huh? I guess that's what happens when one experiments with interactions between various things and the Man Cannon. I still need to see if I can get a wraith up there though. -Tom Achronos Bungie.net Overlord"[3] darthbob 19:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone have confirmation of this "combat knife" allegedly on the back of a spartan's leg? Also "Gas Warthog" is that supposed to be Gauss, is it confirmed? Spectre and double barreled shotgun? They have been added at the same time as the multiplayer maps. James086 ^{Talk | Contribs} 08:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The Assault Rifle, is now called the MA5C Assault Rifle; don't change it back.darthbob 20:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC) [4]

The Combat Knife hasn't been confirmed, but hasn't been denied yet. I figure we should either keep it out altogether or put in a notation that it's just rumored. As for the DB shotgun and the Spectre, nothing there yet. Though the Shotgun might as well be confirmed (Double Barrel or not), since it's one of the most popular guns in the game. Also, Bungie mentioned the variant "Zombies", which is played with shotguns, in this month's EGM. Quadrius 19:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Why do people keep changing "Spiker" back to "Spike Rifle"? Both Bungie and EGM have consistently called the new Brute gun the Spiker. Also, it is what it is commonly known as around fan forums, esp. at Bungie.net and halo.bungie.org. It should be left as "Spiker" for this wiki article. JGoodman 08:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Drones

Whatever happened to the Drones? Have they been confirmed or not?

A Lone Gamer 10:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

They haven't been confirmed but that doesn't rule them out of the game, but it does mean we can't add them to this article. James086 ^{Talk | Contribs} 05:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

Seriously, people. The "confirmed facts" and such is WAY out of hand. There are actually several pages of info there now, in a section that really shouldn't be there at all technically. I'm going to pare it down to the essentials. gspawn 04:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Makes sense.--SUIT^{What? 42} 04:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

To explain some cuts and prevent hasty reverts... we don't need to quote the devs on every little thing- as in literally, stop quoting the devs. Most of the quotes didn't really do anything other than expound on simple info (new materials system = "zOMG j00 can zee it moves!", etc). If weapons are worth talking about, they're probably worth just adding to the list of confirmed weapons instead of talking about them. Etc. Things that are left are more-or-less significant bits, such as the recognition of the female audience through potential female voice additions, listing the price of the various SKUs, big plot details that even people outside the Halo fanverse might care about... this is an encyclopedia, not a fanboy one-stop-shop. You want a gaming site for that. End blurb. gspawn 04:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Also made some minor cuts to the release info- bits like old sections confirming guns were still in when we have a weapons section, some parts were unnecessarily paraphed, etc. The section could use some cuts (Halo 3 might not come out for another year and it's already getting too long), but it's my naptime. gspawn 04:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Article doesn't seem to be in too bad a shape right now, and several editors are keeping a close eye on vandalism and unconfirmed nonsense. Any objection to removing the {{cleanup}} tag? -- Satori Son 06:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I personally find that {{cleanup}} can be pointless for a section/article of any length because it gives no indication of what the tagger found wrong. I removed the tag along with a big chunk of "The Ark" analysis that amounted to original research (you can't piece together observation-based "evidence" like that on Wikipedia to advance a point, even if it's credible), and tagged the "Other confirmed facts" section with {{toomuchtrivia}} (should be rewritten as prose eventually and/or integrated into other sections). Other than that, there is a list-heavy section, but I'm not worried about that long-term, because, thinking long-term the entire article will need to be rewritten anyway after release. — TKD::Talk 07:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

ANOTHER HALO 3 BLOWOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1ONE ONE ONE111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111!!!!

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3155227

Bungie addresses fan complaints with Halo 3.

by Luke Smith, 11.13.2006

Zabrak 01:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed much of that post--you don't need to copy/paste the entire article; the link alone suffices (not to mention the article is most likely copyrighted). Ourai ^т _с 02:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

thanks man

Just wanted to thank whoever cleaned up my trivia addition. Bungies been known to do this and the Marathon symbol has been spotted countless times in both previous Halos so this is likely permanent.

Assault Rifle Emblems

There are two distinct emblems on the side of the AR, as can be plainly seen in the Campaign screenshot. The Marathon emblem can be seen embossed on the rifle just above the trigger guard, while the glowing green power button is located further up the rifle. Do not claim that the Marathon logo is also the power button. - Jason, 4:10 EST

And? This is fancruft, at best. Peptuck 02:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Release Date Info

I might be wrong here, but the PS3 has been released, and Halo 3 hasn't. An edit of the section regarding this rumor needs to be made. Quadrius 19:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Something else needs to be mentioned in regards to the release date. Bungie has said nothing regarding a release date. Not a specific day, not a specific month, not a specific season or quarter. All they've said is the vague "2007". Granted, the annoucement that a public beta will come out in the Spring means that the game will not likely come out anytime in the first half of 2007 (definitely not Q1) and narrows the possible range of release dates down to Q3 or Q4, but that's all it does. People really need to stop adding things like "Holiday 2007" or "November 2007". All we know is that Halo 3 will come out next year some time after the public beta. "TBA 2007" should suffice for a release. JGoodman 07:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Halo 3: Legendary and Collectors Editions

In addition to the normal released game there will be a Legendary Edition and a Collector's Edition released, (source = http://www.allgame.com/cg/agg.dll?p=agg&sql=1:51211, http://www.allgame.com/cg/agg.dll?p=agg&sql=1:51212, if that does not work go to allgames.com and type halo into the search space)

Reference tags

Reference tags are acting kind of screwy. I've tried referencing a source on the plasma pistol, but when I use the <ref> tags it references an incorrect link. Can someone figure out what I'm doing wrong here? Peptuck 23:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

All of the references need a going over. Some don't even link to anywhere. -th1rt3en 23:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I have cleaned up one of them (reference number 3 [5]). I used the Web Cite which is what is advised for that sort of thing. I don't have time to go through right now, I will come back later and do some more, but there are quite a few so if more people could help that would be much appreciated. Simply putting <ref></ref> tags makes it a bit screwy but the citation templates work well (that's why they're used on featured articles). James086 ^{Talk | Contribs} 02:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Deleted Post

Who deleted my post about the pre-order stuff? I hate when people do that! This is supposed to be a FREE discussion board. SO STOP DELETING OTHER PEOPLE's POSTS! So Im going to repost it, and this time dont delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gundam94 (talk • contribs)

I think that you are misunderstanding the purpose of the talk page. Talk pages are meant for discussing matters related to the Wikipedia article on the subject at hand, not necessarily the subject itself. There's a difference. Anyone caring to know about the three editions of Halo 3 can (or should be able to) find that info in the article itself. — TKD::Talk 22:28, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

TKD is right. When you get a chance, you should probably read Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines to help prevent any further misunderstandings. Thanks, Satori Son 00:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Confused about enemies page

"Enemies"... Covenant Covenant Elites (Sangheili) Covenant Grunts (Unggoy)[16] Covenant Hunters (Lekgolo)[15] Covenant Jackals (Kig-Yar)[15] Covenant Brutes (Jiralhanae)[17] Unknown enemy, "something larger than a Grunt"...

I thought the Elites, Grunts, Hunters, and Jackals were on the humans side

Human+ELite VS Brutes+Prophet

or

(Human+Elite)-VS -(Brutes+Prophet) VS Flood (common enemy of both sides)

DrakeKobra 19:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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BTW, Isn't Pre-order Stuff still pertaining to the subject? (What else do you do besides talk on a talk page?)

just asking — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrakeKobra (talk • contribs) 13:11, November 25, 2006 (UTC)

At this point, we don't know almost anything about Halo 3's plot, much less who is allied with whom. Things might even change in-game, as they did in Halo 2. Making any guesses would be original research, and not permissible under Wikipolicy. Leaving the Covenant as enemies by default seems the best thing to do until Bungie releases more information. As for the pre-order information, discussion about it is not exactly the most relevant thing for a talk page. The Talk: namespace is used fir discussion about how to make an article better, not as a forum for discussion about the subject itself, if possible. Hope that clears a few things up. Ourai ^т _с 21:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanx for answering my question about Preorder info, But...

I understand the preorder thing, but shouldn't the enemies/allies page be listed as what we know about it so far, and change it accordingly if it would be wrong? I mean all we now are a few leaks and the knowledge gathered from the last game. It probably should be listed as how we KNOW it was until we KNOW if the Covenant turns. Besides if they do turn, it would be a bad decision for them, because they wouldn't have ANY allies, plus the marines/spartans and the Covenent elites (Arbiter, Hunters, Jackals, Elites, and Grunts) both have the same goal(s): prevent the index from being activated, destroy the Flood, and destroy the Brutes and the Prophet of Truth. Leaving them as enemies would be guessing, listing them as allies would be better, because so far We KNOW they are on our side from last game. If you want a reference, play the last lvl of HALO 2.

and you spelled "for" wrong.

DrakeKobra 22:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

If we did know that all Elite were on the Humans' side going into Halo 3, then it would be different. I haven't played Halo 2 in a while, but from what I can recall, the Elite-Brute Civil War did nothing to change relations between the Elite as a whole and humans. Granted, the Arbiter sided with Keys at Halo 2's end, but the Arbiter does not speak for his race as a whole. The thing is, we don't know enough about the plot of Halo 3 (or Halo 2, for that matter) to say for certain that all Elite are on the side of the humans. Sure, it would make perfect sense for them to be, but extrapolating information is not our job. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a Halo 3 speculation forum; we can only publish content that is factually true, as opposed to something that's likely to be true. (Besides, Bungie is known for its creative use of plot twists; speculating on Bungie is extremely hard to say the least, given their track record.) Ourai ^т _с 22:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm

I guess you're right, but i thought the elites were on the humans side to keep the index from being activated. Wait, how do you know that the elites aren't on our side. it could be either way. ...starting to wonder about the benifits of an enemies page...

my COmputers starting to crash, might not post for a while...

DrakeKobra 16:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Elites have not aligned with humans. According to Halo: Ghosts of Onyx the Elites are still very hostile toward humanity, even as of the conclusion of Halo 2. Peptuck 04:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

Surprised to see that none of the new screenshots for Halo3 aren't even posted, still seing the same old ones.--Ripster40 22:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

HELP!

1. Why are there still sections about rumors that have been confirmed/denied? (The PS3 release Halo 3 release, The different assault rifle, and others) 2. Why are the new machmaking elements not covered? The new system is based on both a skill, and experience ranking 3. Why is nothing said about the new ability to have a call sign? 4. Has no one read 1up's Halo 3 super article!!??!!

I'm just saying there are some GLARING ommisions in this article. I'd fix it myself, but i forget my Wikipedia account. Someone fix it.