Talk:Electricity sector in Turkey

Electricity sector in Turkey is currently a Computing and engineering good article nominee. Nominated by Chidgk1 (talk) at 15:59, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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Electricity sector in Turkey was nominated as a Engineering and technology good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (April 23, 2020). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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Pie chart

Text should be larger - hope to get round to it soon.Chidgk1 (talk) 17:07, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Electricity sector in Turkey/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cerebellum (talk · contribs) 02:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article review progress box

Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Lead: I recommend expanding the lead a little per MOS:LEADLENGTH, I think two paragraphs would be appropriate for this article.

- Done

History: Needs references and some more expansion, it's jarring to skip from 1914 straight to 2015.

- Done

Consumption: Would be good to have info on consumption over time, not just in 2019. Is the consumption increasing or decreasing?

Demand Forecasts: So that 2019 forecast would be a 5% increase with the economy predicted for recession, and in the past several demand forecasts have been overestimates. - I recommend removing this sentence unless you can find sources for it, we need to back up the claim about past demand forecasts being overestimates.
Generating capacity: I would be interested to see more on why Turkey has so much excess generating capacity. Could you add more information from this article?
Distribution: The sentence Increasing Turkey's proportion of electric cars in use to 10% by 2030 would have many benefits seems unencyclopedic to me, more like a policy prescription that a neutral description of the energy sector.
Resilience: Again, saying that the analysis should take into account the benefits sounds prescriptive to me, not neutral/descriptive.
References: The article is well referenced, however as a rule of thumb I'd say each paragraph in a GA should have a reference, so you need one for the "Environmental impact" section.
Economics and finance: Per WP:EL, external links don't usually go in the body of an article, I'd move the "auctions" link to the references or external links section.
Prices: Prices to end consumers are regulated by the government and will likely be increased in late 2019.: This could be updated, did the price increases occur?
Reference spot checks: Not done, I'll do these while the article is on hold.

Overall the article is informative and up-to-date, but it needs some work to meet the GA criteria. I'll place it on hold for seven days, let me know if there's anything I can help with as you work on it! --Cerebellum (talk) 02:59, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I agree with almost all your points. But can you give me a little longer to fix - maybe 3 or 4 weeks? All the good article nominations I put in gradually over a period of months are now being reviewed simultaneously. Which is good as reviewers are coming up with excellent points but to fix them properly I need time. Chidgk1 (talk) 05:21, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Chidgk1: I understand, it's probably cause of the backlog drive going on right now. I hate to be difficult but I don't like it when GA reviews last longer than a week, they tend to drag on and one of the participants will lose interest and it just becomes a mess. I'm going to fail the article for now, but after you make the corrections and renominate please leave a note on my talk page, I should be able to review it for you right away. --Cerebellum (talk) 23:58, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cerebellum: OK that is fine - thanks for the offer to pick up later - and thanks again for the useful comments which will give me a lot to think about. I have to admit I did not realise how much would need doing on the other articles so yes best to fail it now and for me to come back to it when I have finished the rest. But I after I have put it back in I will not ask you straight away, but only if someone else does not pick it up in a reasonable time. Because that way it may get a fresh person on it who will likely spot different things which need improving. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:26, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

new source

https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2132178-lira-weakness-weighs-on-turkish-coal-generation-margins

hydro controls price?

https://www.argusmedia.com/en/blog/2020/august/26/coal-imports-help-turkish-economy-in-1h20

if so why dont they turn off all the dams at 6 a.m. when price lowest? some ecological reason?

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Electricity sector in Turkey/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Amitchell125 (talk · contribs) 18:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to review this article with you. Amitchell125 (talk) 18:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment

Summary

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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The previous review can be seen at Talk:Electricity sector in Turkey/GA1. According to the GA criteria, the article can be failed if "a reviewer who has not previously reviewed the article determines that any issues from previous GA nominations have not been adequately considered".

Initial comments

The links in the External links section all need to be written so that

the language of the text,
the title of the page,
the name of the publisher, and
a description of the website are all included.

See Wikipedia:External_links#How_to_link for more guidance. Amitchell125 (talk) 17:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done Chidgk1 (talk) 16:46, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All the section titles except for 'History', 'Consumption', 'Generation', 'Trade', 'Transmission', 'Distribution', 'Resilience', 'Policy and regulation', 'Economics and finance', 'Future', 'References', 'Sources', and 'External links' should be removed, as they clutter up the article. The three sections 'Trade', 'Transmission', and 'Distribution' need to be combined into one section, probably with the title 'Trade, transmission and distribution'. See MOS:PARA for why I have put this comment in. Amitchell125 (talk) 17:15, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done Chidgk1 (talk) 16:52, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Godron, Philipp and Mahmut Erkut Cebeci and Osman Bülent Tör and Değer Saygın (2018), Godron, Philipp and Değer Saygın (2018). and Sarı, Ayşe Ceren and Değer Saygın (2018). are in the wrong section. They need to be moved to a new section called ‘Further reading’ if they are not going to be used to cite information in the text, or edited out.

Done

Your sources section contains information about websites that are not used in the article (ETKB 2019-2023 Strateji̇k Plani, EÜAŞ - A briefing for investors, insurers and banks, and Türki̇ye'nin Enerji̇ Görünümü 2020) These should go into a ‘Further reading’ section, or used for citations, or edited out. They shouldn’t remain as they are.

Done

Why do you have a ‘Sources’ section, when nearly all of the sources are described in the ‘References’ section? I would delete the 'Sources' section once the sources have been moved out.

Awaiting page number refs to be easily done in visual editor hopefully next year https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WMDE_Technical_Wishes/Book_referencing#implementation_date

All the references need to be checked to ensure they are free of mistakes, consistently formatted, and are not dead links.

Do you know any tool which can check that?

The following links are duplicated, and any duplicates should be removed: Turkish Electricity Transmission Corporation; nationwide blackout in 2015; Sabancı University; European Network of Transmission System Operators for Electricity; Industrial and Commercial Bank of China.

Done

Previous GAN

Cerebellum's comments in April this year are below (I have added ✗ Not done where the comments have not been addressed):

Lead: I recommend expanding the lead a little per MOS:LEADLENGTH, I think two paragraphs would be appropriate for this article. Not done

Now done

History: Needs references and some more expansion, it's jarring to skip from 1914 straight to 2015.
Consumption: Would be good to have info on consumption over time, not just in 2019. Is the consumption increasing or decreasing? Not done

Graph added

Demand Forecasts: So that 2019 forecast would be a 5% increase with the economy predicted for recession, and in the past several demand forecasts have been overestimates. - I recommend removing this sentence unless you can find sources for it, we need to back up the claim about past demand forecasts being overestimates. Not done

Cited

Generating capacity: I would be interested to see more on why Turkey has so much excess generating capacity. Could you add more information from this article?
Distribution: The sentence Increasing Turkey's proportion of electric cars in use to 10% by 2030 would have many benefits seems unencyclopedic to me, more like a policy prescription that a neutral description of the energy sector. Not done

Amended away from Wikipedia voice

Resilience: Again, saying that the analysis should take into account the benefits sounds prescriptive to me, not neutral/descriptive. Not done

Amended away from Wikipedia voice

References: The article is well referenced, however as a rule of thumb I'd say each paragraph in a GA should have a reference, so you need one for the "Environmental impact" section.

Every section now has at least 2 cites

Economics and finance: Per WP:EL, external links don't usually go in the body of an article, I'd move the "auctions" link to the references or external links section.

Fixed

Prices: Prices to end consumers are regulated by the government and will likely be increased in late 2019.: This could be updated, did the price increases occur?

More recent price added

Failing the article

I'm failing the article, as some of the issues raised in the previous review have not been addressed, and there's much to do besides. You (or another editor) will need to address the comments from both reviews before deciding to nominate the article again. All the best, Amitchell125 (talk) 18:44, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Doh for some reason I had forgotten to fix the previous issues raised - probably had subconsciously confused it with another GAN where I had fixed them. Sorry for wasting your time with old issues but at least some of it was useful in the new issues you have raised. Thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 06:13, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]