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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Bhumi2tandon (talk | contribs) at 04:33, 24 October 2020 (→Ram Setu Controversy page: new section). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Time stamp

Hi. Thanks again for noticing the issue. After replying, I noticed the benefit of a automatic signature with time stamp on a talk response in edit mode, or so it appeared. A much needed benefit which makes editing easier - thanks again for alerting me to the issue. Pasdecomplot (talk) 12:58, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Teahouse, per Editor Badges

Thanks for your kind and supportive Teahouse note. [1] (Not sure if this correct.) I have been pleased with the kind notes posted on my talk, over the years, and the memory of other thank you cmts, posted elsewhere. A badge is not needed...I believe that I contributed and have done some good work. Multiply my incremental edits, by hundreds or thousands of other editors, doing the same, and we have a body of good team work. Despite my incremental work, over the years, the thought of gaming the system, in order to “score” over 8000 edits, seems absurd, so I am not worrying about it!

Per the example of your own user page, I have posted a restrained Tutnum Userbox,, versus a Veteran Editor badge. Thanks for your good example and for your continuing helpfulness at the Teahouse, both to me, and to others. My best wishes to you, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 02:27, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tribe of Tiger: To each his own. I think you're certainly entitled to display whatever award level the numbers show. To me, they're purely decorative, which is the only reason for most of my user page at all. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:07, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your user page is colorful and interesting! Attaining the title of "Tutnum", makes me laugh! My cats, Domino, Lilli, and Spitzie, send their regards to you, and respect for your departed friend, Rama I. Various cats have "owned me" for nearly forty years. All of them were wonderful creatures, who provided joy and comfort. Best, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 02:10, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unuseful Commentary

Hello AlanM1. I noticed you were trying to make a "Comment" on my talk page. You also have done this various other times and ive saw you make these type of threads on other users talk pages. I can much appreciate that for your very relevant and helpful information and advice like you did on StarryGranda's "About editing", but sometimes you can post unnecessary and rather frustrating commentary. Im just kindly asking you to refrain from these actions on my page in the future, unless i ask a question there. i guess if you wanted to help you could add some facts in my "Random facts i just collect (feel free to add more)" section on my user page and let other people see some useful or probably not useful information. Thank you. - Regards, Wikimeedian | Discussion 13:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Wikimeedian: Keep in mind this is a community, and people will tell you if you're wrong about something, even if it's not me. That's what your talk page is for – for people to message you. I'm glad the Stanley Crouch situation was resolved, and hope that you will grow as an editor as a result. If I see you repeatedly make the same mistake, compound the problem by denying it, and feel that telling you about it will keep it from happening in the future, I will certainly do so. If you really would prefer I do so via an administrator (most people would not), I will do that instead. Or we could all focus on doing what we're here for. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@AlanM1: i understand that this your job as any other user, im just asking you not to make what you referred to as a comment in Stanley Crouch. Still, you have been great in doing this job and go in-depth and can understand new users but still explain in most simple terms to them. thats all i was asking. i do tend to be very fast and not think much while talking to other users. - Regards, Wikimeedian | Discussion 19:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Wikimeedian: No problem. I'm sorry if I'm unnecessarily gruff. I shouldn't write before either sleep or coffee. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alan–don't worry–no problems!

I just came to say hey and see what you're up to, and I was looking at all the user boxes on your user page and started wondering how you get them to line up across the page like that--instead of all being in a pile on the right hand side like mine are. Computer programming is like magic isn't it? We just had a hurricane here–my first–but all is well. Hope things are not on fire anywhere close to you out there in LA. You know we refer to this area as LA too–but it stands for lower Alabama. I live about 30 minutes from the beach. This LA moseys along at a much slower pace than you do though – I imagine. Anyway, hi, hope you are well and staying away from fire. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:47, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jenhawk777: I'm about halfway between two big fires, so the air's been really bad, but improving. Lots of Benadryl, Tylenol, and Visine. I've got a friend vacationing in Miami that's getting the fringe of that weather system you're in.
As far as the userboxes, one solution is to use a table, e.g.:
<!-- This is a comment -->
{| class="wikitable" style="background-color:#006600;" <!-- This line starting with "{|" starts the table -->
|- <!-- Start row 1 – each new table row starts with a line starting with "|-" -->
| {{User:AlanM1/Template/User XENIX SunOS4}} <!-- R1C1 – each userbox goes on a new line starting with a pipe ('|') -->
| {{User:AlanM1/Template/User former EE}}    <!-- R1C2 -->
| {{User:AlanM1/Template/User Chemistry}}    <!-- R1C3 -->
|- <!-- Start row 2 -->
| {{User:Reaverdrop/Userboxes/physics}}      <!-- R2C1 -->
| {{User Software Engineer}}                 <!-- R2C2 -->
| {{User Arduino}}                           <!-- ...  -->
|- <!-- Start row 3 -->
| {{User Ham-5}}
| {{User:Scepia/numismatics}}
| {{Userbox <!-- This starts a generic userbox -->
  |  border-c=#000 
  |  border-s=1 
  |  id-c=blue
  |  id-s=12
  |  id-fc=#000
  |  info-c=lightblue
  |  info-s=8 
  |  info-fc=black
  |  id=[[Image:Telecom-icon.svg|40px]] 
  |  info=This user holds an [[FCC]] [[General radiotelephone operator license]]
  }} <!-- This "}}" ends the generic userbox -->
|- <!-- Start row 4 -->
| {{User securities trader}}
| {{User punctuation}}
| {{User acoustic modem}}
|} <!-- This new line starting with "|}" ends the table -->
builds this table 3 columns wide by 4 rows long:
*NIX
This user has worked with *NIX since SCO XENIX and SunOS 4
In what seems like a previous life, this user was an Electrical Engineer
This user is interested in Chemistry.
FxThis user is interested in physics.
This user is a software engineer.
This user is an Arduino enthusiast.
This user is an FCC-licensed amateur radio operator, with Amateur Extra-class privileges.
This user is interested in
numismatics.
This user holds an FCC General radiotelephone operator license
This user is a professional
Securities Trader
“,;:’This user is a punctuation stickler.
This user remembers using 300-baud acoustically-coupled modems
—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:21, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the air is bad all the way up the coast. Try not to breathe too much... I cannot use Benadryl–if I want to do anything–it knocks me right out. I am keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.
So if I wanted to try that on my user page, I would just copy what's here, sub in my username and the descriptions of my userboxes, and voilá?? It is magic really isn't it? We are the creators of our own reality--what else is magic? Anyway, thanx and hope you stay safe and well.Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:13, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jenhawk777: Thanks for the good thoughts. Where my username appears above, it's because it's part of the name of the template (i.e., I have several of my own userbox templates like User:AlanM1/Template/User Chemistry), so no, you would not change to your name, since those templates would not exist (i.e., there is no User:Jenhawk777/Template/User Chemistry userbox template). You would, instead, replace everything between the braces on each line, keeping only the line-starting "|". Also keep the whole line that starts with "{|" at the top, the "|}" at the bottom, and the table-row markers "|-" that indicate the start of a new table row after every three lines in this case of a 3-column table. Details at Help:Table. I'm told that the Visual Editor makes table creation easier, but I've no experience with it. The comments ("<!-- blah -->") are just for your reference.
Using some of your existing userboxes as an example, this creates two rows of three columns:
{| class="wikitable" style="background-color:#006600;"

|-
| {{User:Disavian/Userboxes/Environmentalism}}
| {{User history}}
| {{Userbox
  | border-c = SteelBlue
  | id-c     = lightblue
  | info     = This user is interested in philosophy, psychology, and literature.
  | info-c   = lightblue
  | info-fc  = {{{info-fc|black}}}
  | info-s   = {{{info-s|8}}}
  | info-op  = text-align: center
  }}

|-
| {{Userbox
  | float    = {{{float|left}}}
  | border-c = {{{border-color|{{{1|#CC9900}}}}}}
  | border-s = {{{border-width|1}}}
  | id       = [[Image:Bible-open.jpg|55px]]
  | id-c     = #FFCC00
  | info     = This user is a member of '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Bible|WikiProject Bible]]'''.
  | info-a   = {{{info-a|center}}}
  | info-c   = #FFF280
  | info-fc  = {{{info-fc|black}}}
  | info-s   = {{{info-s|8}}}
  | usercategory  = WikiProject Bible participants
  | nocat = {{{nocat|}}}
  }}
| {{Userbox
  | border-c = SteelBlue
  | id       = [[Image:Christian cross.svg|28px]]
  | id-c     = lightblue
  | info     = This user is a member of<br>'''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity|WikiProject Christianity]]'''.
  | info-c   = lightblue
  | info-fc  = {{{info-fc|black}}}
  | info-s   = {{{info-s|8}}}
  | info-op  = text-align: center
  | usercategory = WikiProject Christianity members
  }}
| {{User:UBX/antisemitism}}

|}
The background color can be set by changing the "#006600" on the first line as needed. HTML colors lists names and values, e.g., "DarkViolet" or "#9400D3". Class dismissed. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:24, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'm copying this and one of these days I will get brave enough to try it! I hope class with you is never dismissed. I learn something new every time I converse with you. It's pretty awesome when you think about it! Say hi and learn a whole new way to post user boxes! Totally cool! Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:38, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, so learning may be an overstatement... LOL!! I tried and failed! It's in my sandbox, [[2]] so if you feel like taking the time with a programming putz, you can look at it and tell me what I did wrong trying to add the rest of my user boxes. Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Every time I try to add something I screw it up! It's almost funny--almost... Don't go do anything. I am determined to figure this out!Jenhawk777 (talk) 07:05, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pronouns

Hi AlanM1, just a heads-up: you referred to GorillaWarfare in the Teahouse using the pronoun "his" – it may just have been a slip of the keyboard on your part, but GW does say explicitly on her user page that she uses she/her pronouns. Cheers, --bonadea contributions talk 09:27, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bonadea:  Fixed – That's really not like me. Thanks for catching it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 09:32, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another copyvio

I ran the copyvio detector again and a new one has shown up just today [[3]] but this one say it is dated in 2010. It has almost my entire article, which has been repeatedly checked for copyright violations back into 2017 without this article ever appearing before. How is this possible? Is there some way to prove when this one came online? I am crying. I went to nominate for FA and this came up. What do I do Alan? Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jenhawk777: It's clearly a copy of the Wikipedia article. The first telltale sign is the presence of the footnote markers (e.g. "[17] : 20 [36]" on page 3). Another is page 7, at the bottom of which is all of the hatnotes from within the article, starting with "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This article is about the academic treatment ..." and several "Main article:" hatnotes. If you download the PDF, open it with Adobe Reader (or Acrobat), and look at the document properties, it was created on 2020-09-03, just a couple weeks ago. I wouldn't worry about finding all these mirrors and forks. If someone later challenges, they can be investigated, but you'll make yourself crazy trying to keep track of all these. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is definitely making me crazy! Thank you. You are my calming place. I will add this into comments and move on. Thank you, thank you, thank you--again. Please don't ever leave WP! Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:31, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Dear AlanM1, thank you very much for correcting my formatting at the Vincent Namatjira-article. In the german wikipedia, where i mostly write, they don't want a reference-link directly after the birthdate, so i didn't know, where to put the reference. Thanks for helping out! Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 11:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question (from tea house)

AlanM1: I tried to use the upload wizard image link on the page the upload wizard page but it does not take me anywhere.BigRed606 (talk)

How do I access it then? BigRed606 (talk) BigRed606 (talk) 00:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Signing unsigned entries by IP-s

Please use {{Unsigned IP}} when signing entries of anonymous users, instead of {{Unsigned}} as you did recently in Special:Diff/982335220. Those users do not have their User: pages, so a link [[User:XX.XXX.XX...]] created by the latter is useless. For a difference please see Special:Diff/982337619.

Happy editing! CiaPan (talk) 15:04, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CiaPan: OK, will do. I normally use a script, which didn't work in that case, so I didn't realize there was a separate template for IPs. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cite format

Cleavage (breasts) has a very large citation formatting problem. Care to lend a hand? Aditya(talk • contribs) 01:25, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Free flowchart generator

Do you know what a free flowchart generator is and where I could find instructions one making one? Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:12, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jenhawk777: Hi. Assuming the "free" means you don't have to pay for it, there are lots of flowchart tools out there. Lucidchart seems to be one of them. It's web-based, so it should work on Windows or Mac and no install troubles. I used Visio (now a Microsoft product) in the past; it's available as (probably time-limited) trialware on Windows only apparently. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 12:55, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
O-o-ohhh! I thought it was something on Wikipedia - you know, type in sb and a dollar sign followed by hopping on your left foot in a counterclockwise direction and so on. Thank goodness! I will go google this. Hey did you see that the FAC reviewer fussed at me for the whole rp thing? I mercilessly threw you all under the bus for it! She thought all the refs should be the same just like I tried to tell you guys. She was not happy! But she didn't fail me for it, and I didn't have to go put them all back either. She loved your dashes - not mine though! She said I have to figure out if I want endash or emdash, and since I will never figure out dashes as long as I live, I decided I am just doomed to fail dashes every time. Surviving the FAC so far. I doubt I will ever attempt another one! Thank you for your help with everything - even rp! Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:23, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jenhawk777: I think the {{Rp}} thing, she was just not familiar with its use, as most longer, highly-developed articles probably pre-date its creation, and so use the Sfn scheme (much harder to maintain; easily broken by others in the future). The larger complaint was apparently related to authors, DOI, linking, etc., which you've apparently fixed. I don't think I ever did a complete review of all the cites – just fixed some issues I saw while dealing with the Rp stuff.
As far as dashes, the spaced endash that I prefer I believe is more common in more recent, perhaps American, writing, especially if you include mistaken use of hyphens or double-hyphens instead of the '–' character. The emdash just looks too big to me. Either is allowed, though, but like most things, should be consistent within an article (outside quotes). I could even make the case that, if quotes use emdashes (as those from older books likely do), it's nice to use the short endashes in the article prose to further distinguish it from the quotes. Again, all personal preference. Do remember that endashes need a non-breaking space before and a regular space after (to ensure that they are before a line break, not after it), which is easily accomplished with {{Snd}}). In contrast, emdashes are to be un-spaced on both sides (which just looks ugly to me, like it's a pregnant hyphen linking the two words, the opposite of its intent). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:18, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're right, she wasn't familiar with rp. I hoped she would read your explanation on our Talk age discussion, so I referenced it. You don't mind me doing that do you? She asked 'why' and 'what' concerning rp, so I kind of had to. You are my authority on all things formatting. I figured you knew more about rp than she did, and if she read what you wrote about it, she would see the whys and wherefores, but I don't think she looked at it. I hoped she would take the three of you as evidence of consensus on it, but she didn't do that either. But she did eventually let me off the hook and accept it. I can't help but think referring to the three of you helped with that.
Her comments did make it seem as though there was just mistake after mistake, didn't they? She would say 'there are many such and so's' and I'd find one or two. But I suppose, if you expect FAs to show up perfect in every way, then it must seem like finding any is a big deal. There were only a few problems really, but she found them all, I'm sure, and helped with clean-up. I learned from her, and the article looks better for her involvement, everything is formatted consistently now, and I owe that to her.
Anyway, Please don't be unhappy with me. You helped me when you first wrote me about rp and you helped indirectly again with the FAC reviewer. Thank you, and thank you for the flowchart recommendation as well. I used it. Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:01, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jenhawk777: Why would I be unhappy? You're a fine example of what we should all aspire to do here. To me, it's tough to dig in and do the hard work of writing and sourcing, much more so than what amounts to the formulaic work of formatting. Don't take the nit-picking of FA/GA reviews negatively – they are always going to be that way because the result is supposed to be perfect (or as close as humanly possible), though I still occasionally find minor problems in a GA that were there when they passed review! I imagine in the real publishing world, they have proofers/editors to take care of that stuff. I'm available if you know anyone that is hiring gnomes (1⁄2). Have a good evening. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:59, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jenhawk777: BTW, and it's no big deal, but while I appreciate the thanks, when you see a chain of edits in a short time span, there's no need to thank for all of them – one is plenty. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:26, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But I feel thankful for them all - every one. It gives me the opportunity to say thank you almost a much as I want to. I would make myself a pest and say it every day if I thought you wouldn't just block me! As far as I'm concerned, if this FAC succeeds, it will be due in a real way to you and Sandy Georgia. I'm not discouraged by the nitpicking - I'm grateful for it.
In the real publishing world, articles and books get published with errors on a regular basis. Everyone uses software now, and the tendency for it to miss things seems to be making the occurrence of errors even more common than it was when fallible people were doing it.
Thank you for the compliment. I think I'll copy it and print it somewhere so I can look at it when I get discouraged. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:46, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Sadas db with new references

Hello AlanM1, thank you for your feedback on my page Sadas Db. I modified the references according to the suggested template. You can find all changed references here in my sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Giuseppe_Ardolino/sandbox I hope that they are ok because I would like to publish the page. I want to thank you again for your collaboration. Giuseppe Ardolino (talk) 15:36, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Giuseppe Ardolino: It looks like you generally got it right, though I've not reviewed the individual sources for quality or appropriateness (I can't claim I capisco l'italiano ). A couple of minor things: I changed the <references /> tag to {{Reflist}}, which has some code in it to better handle different size screens. I also removed some extra spaces in front of refs, which should always immediately follow what they refer to like this.[1][2]

References

  1. ^ Ref number 1 ...
  2. ^ Ref number 2 ...
—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

teahouse help not unusual beginner (me) mistake on Gosset

Hi AlanM1, Thank you for pointing out my not unusual beginner mistakes. I have been making many.

1. My original title was Gosset Experiment Design. The preferred title is Gosset Design of Experiments. How do I change to new preferred title?

2. When building the wikipage about this Gosset computer language, which is widely used in industry, I used copyrighted material from its user manual. I have contacted the owner of the copyright using the Wikipedia formal form to get permission. He granted it to me and is willing to fill out the Wikipedia form: Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License (CC BY-SA)

He has not done this yet because I do not know how to get him access to verify his permission, since the draft page is not yet published. For this wikipage (with new title) How can I link copyright owner author to Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License (CC BY-SA) ?

3. The copyrighted material appears to have been deleted by a wiki administrator, since Wikipedia did not know permission is forthcoming. Have the deleted sentences vanished? May I retrieve the deleted material? How?

I appreciate in advance your help and answers to above 3 items. Thank you, Henkuoui (talk) 21:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Henkuoui.
1. Just write the article as though the title were changed and leave a note at the top for the reviewer(s), who can move it when it gets moved to mainspace.
2. I'm afraid I don't know the answer, as I haven't dealt with this type of issue. Does the form require just the name of the page (which is "Draft:Gosset Experiment Design" or maybe ":en:Draft:Gosset Experiment Design") or the link, which is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gosset_Experiment_Design , or ...?
3. Deleted material can generally be retrieved in some circumstances according to WP:REFUND. The better solution, in this case, would be to contact the deleting admin directly on their talk page.
Good luck! —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:49, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Henkuoui: BTW, instruction/help pages here often make use of special markup that is designed to display the code in page reading mode as it is supposed to be used. When trying to use that code, you need to copy it while reading the page, not copy it with all the extra markup present in the edit window of the source editor. For example, in the {{Under construction}} template documentation, it means you should insert the code on the following line:
      {{Under construction}}
not this line:
      <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Under construction|Under construction]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>
I fixed the draft accordingly (here). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ram Setu Controversy page

Hi this Bhumi2tandon Link to my page Ram Setu Controversy on which you left a comment supporting merger of the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ram_Setu_Controversy

Thanks a lot for your suggestion to merge the article 'Ram Setu Dispute' with the existing two pages on the topic. Subsequent to your suggestions and having gone through the proposed articles I would like to bring to your notice that my page traces the time lines of a "Media Controversy" and different aspects of various disputes that have been raised with respect to the Ram Setu at different points of time. My page is not about the academic angle as much as it is about the controversies and at that, the page covers not just academic controversies but legal as well. That's why it's been named Ram Setu 'Controversy'.

To give an example we have several TV shows that for example have episodes that update viewers about the controversy and the history of the entire dispute over the Berlin Wall or an episode that would cover the entire political history of tension between any two nations.

Being a native of India I know that this topic is hotly debated here and if you check the wiki search history the term "Ram Setu" is searched hundreds of thousands of times, this is because that is the term we use for the bridge in this part of the world and basically whole of South Asia. Wikipedia does not have a single page that covers the entire controversy from every angle.

The page is unique because the entire dispute pertaining to the Ram Setu from all the various angles, academic as well as legal and chronological has not been brought together by any other single page on Wikipedia.

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