Talk:Tire

Sound and Vibration Characteristics?

This section says; '(t)here is a study 'under development' which aims to predict the interior noise due to the vibrations of a rolling tire…' yet, there's no citation, nothing, whatsoever to back this up.

Tire wear and tire safety

I have just filled in a perceived blank in Wikipedia by referring to TWI:

• added tyre wear indicator to TWI_(disambiguation)
• included additional information regarding TWI in Tire_code#Additional_marks
• mentioned TWI in Tire#Tread

But tire safety is not restricted to normal wear and tear!

In my opinion there is insufficient mention of many different aspects of tire safety in this page and in Wikipedia.

I submit that we need a new section Tire#Safety or a new page Tire safety

• what do you think?

jw (talk) 16:03, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion, jw. Note that there is already a section Tire#Hazards. If that doesn't address your topic area, I suggest that you compile a series of links to reliable sources in this talk page section, each one highlighting a different element of tire safety that would be part of your proposed section. That way, it would be easy for other editors to see whether there is a critical mass to compile a new section, e.g.:

• Belt separation: Tire forensic investigation : analyzing tire failure

Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 21:07, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Keep in mind the policy Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal. We need to think in terms of giving readers a broad overview of a topic, and striving to explain how aspects of the topic relate to other topics, and the world at large. The guideline Wikipedia:No disclaimers in articles also sheds some light on where we draw the line on our responsibility to our readers. If they are foolishly trusting Wikipedia to tell them which tires to buy or how to drive their monster truck, that's on them.

One example is the way that changes in motorcycle tire technology changed the way racers lean in corners found at Motorcycle tyre#History. Greater sidewall traction overall tire stiffness gives motorcycles the ability to turn through a given radius at higher speeds. Notice we don't give any safety warnings like "always check your tire pressure before riding" or "don't grab a handful of brake in the middle of a turn". Even trail braking doesn't have such advice or warnings.

Expanding the article with good information on safety technology or the ways tire safety features or drawbacks influence driving in general are good. But we never write in the imperative mood, nor recite dos and don'ts. Nor do we feel obligated to make sure readers have been given a complete overview of all the safety warnings necessary to drive a car or ride a bike or change a tire.

To see the best examples to follow, consider Featured articles like Heavy metals or Oxygen toxicity or Gas metal arc welding. All have a lot of detail on health and safety, without reading like a manual or advice page, and none are a comprehensive checklist for a person wanting to know how to do a thing. There are other sister projects like WikiBooks that are more appropriate places for how to advice and safety rules. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 23:35, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Dennis Bratland for your advice. I have accordingly made a mental note to myself "do not write in imperative mode!". jw (talk) 20:12, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

My intention HopsonRoad was not to give safety advice, which I understand is contentious; rather to elaborate on various ways a tyre (tire) can fail and the associated risks ... shall we call the new section Tire#tyre_failure_and_safety or Tire#aspects_of_tyre_failure_and_safety or similar? Or shall we extend the existing Tire#Failure section? Please note that I am not a tyre expert in any shape or form and hence incompetent to suggest worthy references = others will have to make these calls and probably write the new information. jw (talk) 20:12, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Here are some possible outlines for inclusion in the new section:

• belt separation (as above)
• fatigue, under- and over-inflation, overloading
• aging, rust, rubber fatigue
• impact, cracks, and cuts
• irregular and regular wear
• heat, fire (but cf. melting rubber in Tire#Loss_of_traction already in Tire page)
• mounting, mechanical aspects including suspension, etc
• ... et ainsi de suite jw (talk) 20:12, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your elaboration on your suggestion, jw. I suggest that you study:

• Gent, Alan N.; Walter, Joseph D. (2006). The Pneumatic Tire (PDF). DOT HS 810 561. Washington, DC: National Highway Transportation Safety Administration.

It's downloadable as a PDF.

Here's my tally on whether your topics are already included in the article:

• belt separation (as above): is in "Hazards—Failure"
• fatigue, under- and over-inflation, overloading: "The Pneumatic Tire" has a section on "Crack growth and mechanical fatigue" (see cracks, below) and "Fatigue life" (which is just a life-of-tire issue); inflation is in "Inflation"; load is in "Performance characteristics—Load"
• aging, rust, rubber fatigue: I don't follow "aging" most tires wear out before aging out, tires don't "rust", fatigue is as, above. Aging is not in "The Pneumatic Tire" reference.
• impact, cracks, and cuts: Impact is covered under "Belt separation"; cuts is something that could be added.
• irregular and regular wear: wear is covered under "Tread" and "Elastomer"
• heat, fire: "The Pneumatic Tire" reference discusses heat as a byproduct of flexing; it does not discuss fires, except scrap tire piles.
• mounting, mechanical aspects including suspension, etc: Mounting of tires could be added—it varies greatly by the kind of tire that we're talking about; "suspension" (other than tire balance", which is under "Balance") is beyond the scope of the article.

These are my thoughts. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 19:34, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

This should be called "Tyre"

To avoid confusion with the verb tire, we should rename the article to tyre. Electos242 (talk) 21:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

To avoid confusion with the city Tyre, we should name the article tire. Greglocock (talk) 22:33, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

See the prominent hatnote at the top of this Talk page. This article is written in American English, so the spelling "tire" will be retained, per MOS:RETAIN. HopsonRoad (talk) 23:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

FWIW, motorcycle tyre uses UK spelling. It happened to be created by an editor who uses UK spelling, and so it is set. Tire was created by an editor who uses US spelling. That's the WP:RETAIN guideline. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:53, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Recent contributions

Hi Deva1702, thank you for your good-faith efforts to improve Wikipedia. Typically, an article would benefit from an editor paraphrasing material from a reliable source—"published materials with a reliable publication process, authors who are regarded as authoritative in relation to the subject, or both". Generally, a blog like the one you supplied is not considered to be an example per WP:USERGENERATED. Also, the material contained in the website that you offered is already covered in the Tire#History section, supported by reliable sources.

So now, the question remains whether the link belongs in the "External links" section. WP:LINKSTOAVOID #1 says, "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article. In other words, the site should not merely repeat information that is already or should be in the article. Links for future improvement of the page can be placed on the article's talk page. See {{refideas}}." The website that you offered contains material that already is covered in the article, or if there were elements missing, should be in the article.

So, these are reasons why the link doesn't belong in the article. Cheers, HopsonRoad (talk) 16:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the reason you mentioned, this will help me create valuable addition to any wikipedia page in future. Deva1702 (talk) 16:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Use of nitrogen for tire inflation

I'm sorry to see this article propagating the common myth of nitrogen being used as an inflation gas "to minimize expansion and contraction". Nitrogen is used, esp. in aircraft tyres to a) mitigate the fire/explosion hazard by inerting the tires and b) mitigate tire degradation by oxidation. Even the citation given in the article doesn't say anything about the desire to minimize expansion and contraction but DOES mention fire/explosion hazards and oxigen degradation. The fact that nitrogen inflation is a requirement for "braked wheels" is also a giveaway as only these wheels experience temperatures high enough to constitute a fire/explosion hazard.

I've added a verification failed tag. 208.127.136.43 (talk) 08:52, 23 November 2020 (UTC)