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Older items moved to Talk:Virtual Magic Kingdom/Archive. - Brian Kendig 18:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

VMK WIKI!

Hey editors, check this out, a great place for VMK and Toontown game guides. It has just about every thing. It is located here. Click here to check it out. Maybe you should redirect or make a link to that? What do you think? --Onua9159 22:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hidden Mickey list

I wasn't sure what to do with the list of the locations of all fifty Hidden Mickeys. On one hand, it took up a lot of space in the article, and it's non-encyclopedic (even more so than the list of codes, which are at least interesting in that they show what sorts of things can be won via codes). On the other hand, it's useful to people, and it helps Wikipedia's coverage of the game be complete. I decided to break it out into its own new article, Hidden Mickeys in the Virtual Magic Kingdom, so that Wikipedia would contain it but it wouldn't add clutter to the article. - Brian Kendig 16:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks -- I like the idea of putting the hidden mickey "spoilers" into a separate article. Note however that the "official" list you posted (straight from VMK) is poorly descriptive, compared to what was originally posted (although I have no idea what its original source was). Putting in this "non-encyclopedic" information in Wikipedia does seem to be a bit of a slippery slope though -- people might now want to also include in-park quest answers, in-park quest common trivia questions, etc. How to decide what to include? I assume the goal is NOT to produce a "game guide", with solutions to Airlock Escape, or playing tips for the various other games. Bezoar 13:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ah, I wondered why information was missing. An dictionary would explain what a capitol is, but an encyclopedia would list of all the capitols of US States. Since the number and locations are known and definitive, it's "fact" as opposed to trying to recreate hiddenmickeys.org in the Wikipedia (so many opinions on what is or is not a Mickey). That said, I've found this page to answer more VMK questions than the handful of fan sites I have visited (I just discovered VMK last week, though I admit to being outside of the "age 8-14" range the game was designed for). I was glad to find that listing, and consider it more to be a spoiler for movies. --Allen Huffman 20:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The article is much more useful with the links to the various sites and forums devoted to VMK. There's no reason to restrict linking to the official site proper. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not states: "There is nothing wrong with adding a list of content-relevant links to an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia." This list doesn't dwarf this article. - Nunh-huh 09:17, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fansites like those are culled regularly by administrators from pop-culture articles. My reccommandation would be to try choosing one or two that you really think should be there. WhiteNight T | @ | C 09:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, some overzealous people cull them all. I would have no objection to a shorter list, but I do have objection to any attempt to expunge them entirely. Links are meant to provide access to further information - information we may not want in our article, but that people reading our article might want access to. - Nunh-huh 10:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not meant to be a link repository. External links are meant for web pages which add more detailed information to what is discussed in the article, but links to entire sites and discussion forums are better left to the services such as Dmoz and Yahoo which are dedicated to the task. The problem is that if we allow one fan site to be linked from the article, then every person who runs a fan site will want his to be linked from the article, and this sometimes turns into a big war over which sites are "worthy" and which aren't - the best solution to this problem is just to avoid it completely. If there's a web page out there which, say, is an interview with a VMK developer who gives lots of interesting background information on the game, then I'd agree it's suitable as an external link; but the sites you've linked have information which pretty much duplicates what's in Wikipedia, and have discussion boards which definitely aren't encyclopedic. Why do you want to try to duplicate the work which Dmoz and Yahoo already do so much better? If you'd like, maybe we could just link to the appropriate Dmoz/Yahoo category instead. - Brian Kendig 17:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The external links on Wikipedia have always been very useful to me. I'd rather find a list that is reviewed than an open directory that contains mostly crap links. If someone has a specific reason why a link should not be there (ie, not informative; commercial site trying to sell stuff; etc.) then it can be removed. But it's very useful to read about a topic, then find some places that explore the topic far more than Wikipedia. That's the very nature of a "See Also..." isn't it? Although I find at least one item in the list to be rather useless since it's full of kids (or adults who type like kids) hacking and editing and commenting, rendering it rather useless, that's just how open Wiki's work. Including this one. --Allen Huffman 20:38, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To say that this topic has received lots of discussion over lots of articles through lots of time would be understating the issue. Have a look at Wikipedia:External links and m:When should I link externally for some guidelines, and in particular see Wikipedia talk:External links for a great amount of discussion on the topic. - Brian Kendig 22:31, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Allen, By all means remove links which do not cover the subject in more depth than we do. But that will not include all of them except the "official" one. - Nunh-huh 07:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How about this:

  • If a web page corroborates the information in this article, then link to it under a Sources section. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. This article needs some sources to be cited, anyway.
  • If a page contains in-depth information about a specialized topic which, while interesting, is too esoteric to be of much interest to people in an encyclopedia, then link to it from External links. See Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.
  • If a site is the predominant and widely-recognized central source of information on this topic, then link to it from External links.
  • But if a site is one of many fan sites on the topic, and doesn't otherwise stand out under the points above, then don't link to it. That's what Yahoo/Dmoz/Google are for.

- Brian Kendig 18:08, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Being as how you're the one who's championing the external links, I'll let you apply these guidelines to 'em. :) - Brian Kendig 22:01, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a newbie to Wikipedia, but it seems totally pointless to link to the top level of the DIS Forums or Intercot or whatnot. For example, the DIS Forums have several million posts, with 64,000 of them in the VMK forum. Linking to the DIS Boards is, I think, less useful than linking to a Google search. Because I don't agree with this use of external links (pointing to fan sites and discussion forums, rather than to specific sources and articles of information), I'm not going to go through and fix the external links. But perhaps the people who want them can at least point them to the appropriate sub-forum? Bezoar 15:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to add that I agree with Brian on this - MagicKnight 08:11, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPCs versus Characters?

Doesn't the VMK game call them "Characters" rather than NPCs? --Allen Huffman 21:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, it does. I'll revert the edit that renamed that section. - Brian Kendig 21:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protection?

This article seems to have become a frequent target of vandalism by anons and newly-created accounts. By my count, vandalism and reversions account for more than half of the most recent 100 edits. What would y'all say to this article being semi-protected to cut down on the vandalism? - Brian Kendig 22:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I'm semi-protecting this article in an effort to hold off the vandalism. See Wikipedia talk:Semi-protection policy for my discussion of the policy. - Brian Kendig 00:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline

The timeline is subject to dispute, the dates are not entirely acurate and I feel this information is frivilous, not needed and clutters the article. - MagicKnight 00:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Codes

I'm starting to think, in the interests of making this more of an encyclopedia article and less of a game guide, that the list of codes to get credits really doesn't belong here. I used to be in favor of it, but I don't think I am any more. Anyone else have an opinion on it? Or is there any other material in this article that's more like a game guide and doesn't really belong? Like, maybe some of the Events section can be removed and/or condensed? - Brian Kendig 05:12, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, if there are no dissenting opinions, I'm going to start dumping a lot of the game-guide-ish stuff about VMK into Wikibooks. - Brian Kendig 19:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Codes are very helpful. - — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.144.135.54 (talk • contribs)

Hey bingo

I think the codes are a good idea as Wikipedia is an online encyclopaedia but is still MUCH more than that.

It has loads of other things, not just boring info. See ya - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alligator1234 (talk • contribs)

StrategyWiki

No one's offered an opinion so far, so I'll just ask once more before I move stuff. Wikibooks is starting to discourage game guide material and it's instead recommending that StrategyWiki [1] be the destination for such material, so I've created a stub VMK article there [2] in preparation for moving some VMK information there and out of Wikipedia. Specifically, some of the things I would like to move OUT OF Wikipedia and INTO StrategyWiki are:

Anyone have any opinions, yea or nay? - Brian Kendig 04:23, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To ensure full GFDL compliance remember to copy the edit history onto the talk page (example). :) GarrettTalk 10:48, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the tip; I didn't know about this! Is there a policy page somewhere which explains the need for it? What if I'm moving a section of an article - what edit history needs to be copied, then? - Brian Kendig 11:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You can see m:Transwiki for the whole process and all the reasoning (note the transwiki log isn't used by StrategyWiki). But basically the GFDL requires a list of the major authors of the text in question, and the history paste-in is the easiest way to achieve this (and so has become policy). For a section move all you really need to do is put something like "split from cool#rad" in the edit summary (and similar for the page you're cutting it from). The history paste-in is only for author tracking between projects, everything else can be done with backlinks or redirects. GarrettTalk 22:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the information to StrategyWiki. Please feel free to turn that article into a terrific VMK game guide, while leaving this article encyclopedic in nature. - Brian Kendig 21:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

Just as a note for everyone, I have replaced the pictures of quest cards with clearer pictures. - Yumsse 8:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the images you put (Image:PrcklyPearChr.JPG and Image:GldnEars.jpg) are smaller and of much lower quality than the previous images (Image:Vmk-card-cactuschair.jpg and Image:Vmk-card-goldenears.jpg). - Brian Kendig 14:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

what FYI stand for? -KanuT 13:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Look it up in Wikipedia! FYI - Brian Kendig 03:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unreleased Costumes

I have added a bit to Clothing, explaining known information about unreleased costumes. Please tell me what you think. Yumsse 14:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, who deleted it? Yumsse 13:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh wait, nvm. Yumsse 13:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC) i never get codes[reply]

We need Production info...

All that gameplay info is felpful, but could we add some production notes and things like that too? I bet quite a few casual readers would like to know how this got started, who started it, what it used to look like, etc. If we don't, this article won't be so high-quality... Abby724 05:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please feel free to add this kind of material, as long as you attribute the sources of your information! - Brian Kendig 20:44, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

References

According to a Community Leader you have to have a Degree in Computer Science in order to become a VMK Staff Member.

Can anyone find a reference for this recently added sentence? Vanguard 14:00, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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