Talk:Jan Żaryn: Difference between revisions
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::I suggest you ask for the review of this addition at [[WP:BLPN]]. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 07:52, 27 April 2021 (UTC) |
::I suggest you ask for the review of this addition at [[WP:BLPN]]. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 07:52, 27 April 2021 (UTC) |
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:::Volunteer Marek, I don't think this is a BLP vio. Attack pages are "''Pages that are unsourced and negative in tone''", and that part was well sourced with at least 2 RS, Gazeta Wyborcza and Oko.press, that were already defined "Reliable".[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_329#Gazeta_Wyborcza_and_OKO.press] If you want to add what happened with the family of this man, it is good, but has nothing to do with his statements section. And I'd like to point out that the only reason this guy is known internationally is because of his pro-nationalists attitude,[https://www.politico.eu/article/polands-wwii-museum-under-political-bombardment/][https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/street-state-how-radical-nationalists-gained-power-poland/] it would be strange to omit those informations. [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Balance|Balance]]: "''Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone''", so where is the "balance"?--[[User:Mhorg|Mhorg]] ([[User talk:Mhorg|talk]]) 11:17, 27 April 2021 (UTC) |
:::Volunteer Marek, I don't think this is a BLP vio. Attack pages are "''Pages that are unsourced and negative in tone''", and that part was well sourced with at least 2 RS, Gazeta Wyborcza and Oko.press, that were already defined "Reliable".[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_329#Gazeta_Wyborcza_and_OKO.press] If you want to add what happened with the family of this man, it is good, but has nothing to do with his statements section. And I'd like to point out that the only reason this guy is known internationally is because of his pro-nationalists attitude,[https://www.politico.eu/article/polands-wwii-museum-under-political-bombardment/][https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/countering-radical-right/street-state-how-radical-nationalists-gained-power-poland/] it would be strange to omit those informations. [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Balance|Balance]]: "''Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone''", so where is the "balance"?--[[User:Mhorg|Mhorg]] ([[User talk:Mhorg|talk]]) 11:17, 27 April 2021 (UTC) |
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::::BLP requires better sources than hit pieces in tabloids or websites that are ideologically opposed to the subject (and no, these sources were not “defined as reliable”). I don’t like the guy myself but you just can’t use his Wikipedia article to attack him. There’s nothing in there even close to a “disinterested tone” (aside from the Polityka source). And once again, you’re posting things like opendemocracy, which is simply not RS.<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Volunteer Marek|<span style="color:orange;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Volunteer Marek '''</span>]]</span></small> 11:37, 27 April 2021 (UTC) |
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This [1] edit attempts to turn the article into an attack page. From the sources given the only one which comes close to being RS is Polityka [2] and even that is an opinion piece which is not suitable for a BLP (main difference is that article manages to avoid the hysterics that others do). But even that doesn't say what is being claimed in the text. Furthermore that source does in fact have some notable and pertinent information about the subject - such that his family rescued Jews during the war and were recognized as Righteous Among Nations, or that his mother was arrested by the Nazis but released with intervention of the same Wehrmacht officer who saved The Pianist - but that is completely ignored. These are straight up POV edits and they violate our policies. Volunteer Marek 20:31, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- These are excellent sources, including oko.press. Commentary covers some of this in English, [3] (free copy: [4]), stating that Żaryn pushed the myth of "Jewish participation in the mass extermination of Poles."V.A. Obadiah (talk) 06:21, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- I suggest you ask for the review of this addition at WP:BLPN. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:52, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- Volunteer Marek, I don't think this is a BLP vio. Attack pages are "Pages that are unsourced and negative in tone", and that part was well sourced with at least 2 RS, Gazeta Wyborcza and Oko.press, that were already defined "Reliable".[5] If you want to add what happened with the family of this man, it is good, but has nothing to do with his statements section. And I'd like to point out that the only reason this guy is known internationally is because of his pro-nationalists attitude,[6][7] it would be strange to omit those informations. Balance: "Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone", so where is the "balance"?--Mhorg (talk) 11:17, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- BLP requires better sources than hit pieces in tabloids or websites that are ideologically opposed to the subject (and no, these sources were not “defined as reliable”). I don’t like the guy myself but you just can’t use his Wikipedia article to attack him. There’s nothing in there even close to a “disinterested tone” (aside from the Polityka source). And once again, you’re posting things like opendemocracy, which is simply not RS. Volunteer Marek 11:37, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- Volunteer Marek, I don't think this is a BLP vio. Attack pages are "Pages that are unsourced and negative in tone", and that part was well sourced with at least 2 RS, Gazeta Wyborcza and Oko.press, that were already defined "Reliable".[5] If you want to add what happened with the family of this man, it is good, but has nothing to do with his statements section. And I'd like to point out that the only reason this guy is known internationally is because of his pro-nationalists attitude,[6][7] it would be strange to omit those informations. Balance: "Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone", so where is the "balance"?--Mhorg (talk) 11:17, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- I suggest you ask for the review of this addition at WP:BLPN. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:52, 27 April 2021 (UTC)