Talk:365 Crete earthquake

Timing of the uplift

The article currently states that "a recent reassessment of radiocarbon data indicates that the uplift most probably took place at a later date" referring to Kelly 2004. This directly contradicts many of the other sources, especially Stiros 2001, 2010 and Shaw et al. 2008. I don't have access to the Kelly paper, so it would good if someone who does could summarise the arguments so that this part of the article can address these differences in opinion. Mikenorton (talk) 17:09, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

From another article by Kelly in 2008 page 90 it's clear that he was basing this solely on the Price et al. 2002 paper, which has now been superseded by a paper by Shaw et al. in 2010 [1] (including one of the authors of the Price et al. 2002 paper), explaining about problems with radiocarbon dating lithophaga molluscs, as they incorporate "dead carbon" from the limestone that they bore into. I'm going to remove the "later date" part and add the later Shaw et al. paper as a source confirming that the uplift was associated with the 365 earthquake. Mikenorton (talk) 20:23, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

In fact the Shaw et al. 2008 paper already used is clear enough, so I've just removed the sentence. Mikenorton (talk) 21:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

The most important event in late antiquity

Might we mention that every single city in North Africa was devastated? That Greco-Roman civilization never recovered from this? While the exact number will never be known, MILLIONS of people were killed, after all.Ericl (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Keep in mind that this was the fourth century. It was indeed a catastrophe of epic proportions, but you have to remember that this earthquake occurred during an era cluttered with catastrophes of epic proportions.

You are engaging in pure speculation. "Every single city" is an exaggeration, as is a death toll of "millions." Greco-Roman civilization in the East, on the contrary, peaked during the reign of Justinian. 200 years later, the East-Roman/Byzantine empire was thriving.HammerFilmFan (talk) 02:12, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Literary accounts

The entry for this event in the List of historical tsunamis included a (presumably translated) excerpt. If this quote belongs anywhere, it is in this main article, not a summary list. Any opinions on whether the addition below should be included in this article?

The Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus (Res Gestae 26.10.15–19) described the typical sequence of tsunami events, including an earthquake, the sudden retreat of the sea, and a subsequent gigantic wave.

Slightly after daybreak, and heralded by a thick succession of fiercely shaken thunderbolts, the solidity of the whole earth was made to shake and shudder, and the sea was driven away, its waves were rolled back, and it disappeared, so that the abyss of the depths was uncovered and many-shaped varieties of sea-creatures were seen stuck in the slime; the great wastes of those valleys and mountains, which the very creation had dismissed beneath the vast whirlpools, at that moment, as it was given to be believed, looked up at the sun's rays. Many ships, then, were stranded as if on dry land, and people wandered at will about the paltry remains of the waters to collect fish and the like in their hands; then the roaring sea as if insulted by its repulse rises back in turn, and through the teeming shoals dashed itself violently on islands and extensive tracts of the mainland, and flattened innumerable buildings in towns or wherever they were found. Thus in the raging conflict of the elements, the face of the earth was changed to reveal wondrous sights. For the mass of waters returning when least expected killed many thousands by drowning, and with the tides whipped up to a height as they rushed back, some ships, after the anger of the watery element had grown old, were seen to have sunk, and the bodies of people killed in shipwrecks lay there, faces up or down. Other huge ships, thrust out by the mad blasts, perched on the roofs of houses, as happened at Alexandria, and others were hurled nearly two miles from the shore, like the Laconian vessel near the town of Methone which I saw when I passed by, yawning apart from long decay.

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How do they know this happened?

How do they know this happened? It was years ago.