Talk:Bernard Montgomery

Copy and Paste

i was doing some reserch on Monty and noticed this page had pretty much the same words writen... http://www.jackbacon.com/products/product_printpage.asp?PDID=101... something needs to changed here. i dont know who jacked who, but originality is necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.250.42 (talk) 17:49, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

That's a copy of the Wikipedia original. Someone who knows the GFDL better than me would have to judge if that's in breach of the licence. Leithp 19:24, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Primary Sources?

I see that some of the Reference books have been repositioned into a sub-heading "Primary sources". This makes these volumes seem more important. However, I'm not sure that there is any value in separately identifying sources that are personal experiences - they are no more useful and quite often less reliable (because the author may be self-serving - doubtless the case for Montgomery and Eisenhower!). Any objection if I put them back into one list? Stephen Kirrage ^{talk - contribs} 15:15, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Victory

"A photograph from October 1918 shows the then unknown Lt.-Col. Montgomery standing in front of Winston Churchill (Minister of Munitions) at the victory parade at Lille" Victory in October? Is the photo in the public domain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.115.137 (talk) 06:58, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

here it is, 28 October 1918 (Lille had been liberated ten days earlier):

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=32325

It's also in Vol I of the Nigel Hamilton official biography and numerous other books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.159.33.4 (talk) 12:41, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

DSO citation

Has some mishap occurred with the DSO citation? It looks most peculiar - not like anything I've seen on WP before and not pleasant to the eye? Tim riley (talk) 12:03, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

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Montgomery Town in Punjab In recognition of the meritorious services of Montgomery, a town in Punjab (Now in Pakistan) was named after him. However, the town was renamed as Sahiwal in later years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.194.0.194 (talk) 19:36, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Market Garden

The primary (and unstated) purpose of Operation Market Garden was to delay the planned V-2 rocket offensive against London that was then known to be about to start. The objective was to force the mobile German V-2 units out of range of London. This would not have been known by many of the Allied personnel involved, including most of the Allied Generals, etc, only Eisenhower, and Montgomery would have been aware of this.

The V-2 had only a limited range, and once the German firing units were pushed back beyond this range they were effectively (from London's point of view) harmless. The UK Goverment had been extremely worried about the effects of 'another Blitz', and they had been following the events at Peenemünde since first signs of the V-weapons had been found on PRU photographs in 1943. That was also why the expended so many bomber sorties on the targets, both at Peenemünde and elsewhere.

You see, the V-1 flying bomb needed large, semi-permanent installations to fire it from, ramps, bunkers, etc, but the V-2 didn't. It could be fired from any clear piece of ground, a clearing in a forest, etc. In fact, they were even being fired from The Hague (in Holland, where Market Garden took place) itself. The V-1 launch/firing facilities could be bombed, and were. The V-2 ones couldn't. Once a V-2 had been launched that was it - there was no defence against it. Allied intelligence knew that the normal V-2 warhead was high explosive, but they didn't know what else might be used. So stopping the V-2 was considered very important.

Market garden failed - but the planned German V-2 offensive on London never even got near what they had intended. Just as well, as, like Hitler intended, it may well have even altered the course of the war.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and the V-2 attacks that actually occurred may not have been as effective as a single thousand bomber raid, but the V-2 caused a lot of very senior Allied people a lot of sleepless nights. They didn't know much of what we know now, see? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.45.103 (talk) 11:11, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure, whatever you say. Gave mea good chuckle. You're pullin a classic Monte, fail in your mission and then chnage the objectives to hide your failure.

"Altered the course of the war". Only Hitler in cloud cuckoo land could have possibly believed that (and even he probably didnt), let alone Ike and the Allies or any sane person.