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So even though it is Czechia used by the IOC Wikipedia knows better and will keep it as CR at the Olympics 97.116.181.122 (talk) 03:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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It has been proposed in this section that Czech Republic at the Olympics be renamed and moved to Czechia at the Olympics.

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Czech Republic at the Olympics → Czechia at the Olympics – The Terminological Committee of the Czech Office for Surveying, Mapping, and Cadaster in cooperation with the Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs standardized Czechia as the English translation of Česko in early 1993. Since then it has been referred to as such in the UN^[1], EU^[2], Council of Europe^[3], NATO^[4], World Bank^[5], UEFA^[6], FIFA^[7] and so on. The whole issue is nicely summarized in the article: Name of the Czech Republic. Vasek7 (talk) 10:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC) Vasek7 (talk) 10:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Yes, and the WP:OFFICIALNAME of "Czechia" was also the main argument in the most recent Talk:Czech Republic/Archive 12#Closure of "Rename to Czechia" discussion. But the current consensus of the Wikipedia community is to keep that article at "Czech Republic" as the WP:COMMONAME. And I'd rather this Olympics article continue to also have that same consistent naming convention (like Name of the Czech Republic, Foreign relations of the Czech Republic, Czech Republic national football team, and all the other Czech Republic articles) instead of being an outlier. Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Czech Olympic Committee also uses a short (geographical) name, not the Olympic Committee of the Czech Republic. When you mention the names of institutions that use a long (political) name, they logically use it because they are government institutions. Czech Republic national football team is an absolutely terrible translation. The Czech Republic is the name of the government. The name of the land is Czechia. The designation of the nationality* is Czech. Therefore the correct translation is Czech national footbal team. When you mention consistency, I agree that translation errors are consistently widespread. If the political name were used absolutely everywhere within the framework of consistency, it would be absurd, because it would not take into account the distinction between whether we mean the country or its government, as is customary in European countries. (* Czech language distinguishes between two types of nationalities, which is probably the source of the difficulties in the translation into English.) Vasek7 (talk) 20:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not our job to "fix translation errors" made by third party English-language reliable sources. Checking at the archived copies on the Wayback Machine, the IOC apparently was using "Czechia" as far back as December 2022. And yet their official web site for the 2024 Winter Youth Olympics, that was held earlier this year, currently uses "Czech Republic". I would need to see more consistency from the IOC, as well as other third-party reliable sources. Zzyzx11 (talk) 21:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's not strictly necessary for this title to match the name of the country's article; WP:COMMONNAME applies. See Great Britain at the Olympics / United Kingdom, Chinese Taipei at the Olympics / Taiwan, etc. That being said, I would like to see more secondary source evidence of the common name here. See also a previous discussion at Talk:Czech Republic men's national ice hockey team#Requested move 2 June 2023, which saw considerable support in favour of the common name "Czechia", although the RM ultimately did not pass. 162 etc. (talk) 15:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The arguments given in the nom would seem to apply equally well to the hundreds of other articles under Category:Czech Republic that use "Czech Republic" in their titles rather than "Czechia". Why retitle this particular article leaving it inconsistent with all the others? Colin M (talk) 19:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there is a reason for renaming this article, then there is the same reason for renaming hundreds of other articles in the same category. Vasek7 (talk) 21:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states#gotoC

[2] ttps://european-union.europa.eu/easy-read_en

[3] ttps://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/46-members-states

[4] ttps://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_52044.htm

[5] ttps://www.worldbank.org/en/about/leadership/members

[6] ttps://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/

[7] ttps://inside.fifa.com/about-fifa/associations

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 *'''Oppose'''. Yes, and the [[WP:OFFICIALNAME]] of "Czechia" was also the main argument in the most recent [[Talk:Czech Republic/Archive 12#Closure of "Rename to Czechia" discussion]]. But the current consensus of the Wikipedia community is to keep that article at "[[Czech Republic]]" as the [[WP:COMMONAME]]. And I'd rather this Olympics article continue to also have that same [[WP:CRITERIA|consistent naming convention]] (like [[Name of the Czech Republic|Name of the ''Czech Republic'']], [[Foreign relations of the Czech Republic|Foreign relations of the ''Czech Republic'']], [[Czech Republic national football team|''Czech Republic'' national football team]], and all the other [[:Category:Czech Republic|Czech Republic articles]]) instead of being an outlier. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] ([[User talk:Zzyzx11|talk]]) 13:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 *:The ''Czech Olympic Committee'' also uses a short (geographical) name, not the ''Olympic Committee of the Czech Republic''. When you mention the names of institutions that use a long (political) name, they logically use it because they are government institutions. ''Czech Republic national football team'' is an absolutely terrible translation. The ''Czech Republic'' is the name of the government. The name of the land is ''Czechia''. The designation of the nationality* is ''Czech''. Therefore the correct translation is ''Czech national footbal team''. When you mention consistency, I agree that translation errors are consistently widespread. If the political name were used absolutely everywhere within the framework of consistency, it would be absurd, because it would not take into account the distinction between whether we mean the country or its government, as is customary in European countries. (* Czech language distinguishes between two types of nationalities, which is probably the source of the difficulties in the translation into English.) [[User:Vasek7|Vasek7]] ([[User talk:Vasek7|talk]]) 20:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
-*::Checking at the archived copies on the [[Wayback Machine]], the IOC apparently was using "Czechia" [https://web.archive.org/web/20221206043923/https://olympics.com/ioc/czechia as far back as December 2022]. And yet their official web site for the [[2024 Winter Youth Olympics]], that was held earlier this year, currently uses [https://olympics.com/gangwon-2024/en/results/all-sports/noc-schedule-czech-republic.htm "Czech Republic"]. I would need to see more consistency from the IOC, as well as other third-party reliable sources. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] ([[User talk:Zzyzx11|talk]]) 21:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
+*::It is not our job to "fix translation errors" made by third party English-language reliable sources. Checking at the archived copies on the [[Wayback Machine]], the IOC apparently was using "Czechia" [https://web.archive.org/web/20221206043923/https://olympics.com/ioc/czechia as far back as December 2022]. And yet their official web site for the [[2024 Winter Youth Olympics]], that was held earlier this year, currently uses [https://olympics.com/gangwon-2024/en/results/all-sports/noc-schedule-czech-republic.htm "Czech Republic"]. I would need to see more consistency from the IOC, as well as other third-party reliable sources. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] ([[User talk:Zzyzx11|talk]]) 21:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 *'''Comment''' It's not strictly necessary for this title to match the name of the country's article; [[WP:COMMONNAME]] applies.  See [[Great Britain at the Olympics]] / [[United Kingdom]], [[Chinese Taipei at the Olympics]] / [[Taiwan]], etc. That being said, I would like to see more secondary source evidence of the common name here.   See also a previous discussion at [[Talk:Czech Republic men's national ice hockey team#Requested move 2 June 2023]], which saw considerable support in favour of the common name "Czechia", although the RM ultimately did not pass. [[User:162 etc.|162 etc.]] ([[User talk:162 etc.|talk]]) 15:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * '''Oppose''' The arguments given in the nom would seem to apply equally well to the hundreds of other articles under [[:Category:Czech Republic]] that use "Czech Republic" in their titles rather than "Czechia". Why retitle this particular article leaving it inconsistent with all the others? [[User:Colin M|Colin M]] ([[User talk:Colin M|talk]]) 19:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)